B serious

WHAT?!! man.....idk....

tcjensen

I wan't to like the DFV's, but they rely on the rear bump stops too much IMHO, and are pretty much a rebound-adjustable shock. Maybe with 750/650 springs, 30mm of preload and a 13.25" ride height, and maybe a cut bump stop, they'd be perfect. Or one could just get KW Clubsports and slap on 750/650 60mm 6" hyperco's.

leo777

Where you get the ohlins for 2300 everybody sell them for 2425

B serious

Öhlins controls the pricing. $24xx is normal.

RedCelica

Ping either Urge or Gruppe-S. For the record, I sold my KW Clubs for Ohlins. Why? Because Ohlins is the best in the business, and for the money, you can afford custom rate springs and still have enough to get some track pads. 2 way adjustability, imo, is overrated. I am a set and forget kinda guy.

michaelnyden

I've driven KW clubsports and ohlin DFV (no special custom valving) just out of the box, the DFV has a slightly better ride on the street, but when I wrung them both out on the track the KW clubsport yielded better lap times for me over the DFV, buts that's me and there are many factors there, but nonetheless it was a clear winner in terms of all out grip and response.

I do like how lightweight the DFV's are though with their aluminum bodies...wish the KW's were that light! I think to be competitive on the track with the clubsports, the DFVs need more aggressive valving and spring rates than comes out of the box like Urge has an option for. Or just step up to Penske's, JRZ's, or their own TTX line.

B serious

Ping either Urge or Gruppe-S. For the record, I sold my KW Clubs for Ohlins. Why? Because Ohlins is the best in the business, and for the money, you can afford custom rate springs and still have enough to get some track pads. 2 way adjustability, imo, is overrated. I am a set and forget kinda guy.
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I think you feel that double adjustables are overrated because you replaced your true DA's with Öhlins...which are single-double adjustable. If you had switched to true single adjustables, you'd see the advantages in tuning that a DA offers.

B serious

This is a pretty fair assessment.

The Öhlins are easier to tune, and are a little more comfy (road and track). The CS leans more toward trackability and tuneability.

RedCelica

How much tuning did you do between the two? I know on 12 clicks the DFVs were soft and there was a lot of understeer. Moving to a stiffer 5/6 setting yielded neutral results and a lot firmer ride.

DavidNJ

A lot of this depends on the rest of the setup, the track/road being used, and the driving style. Out-of-the box DFVs have 10kg/mm and 8kg/mm springs. I thought the KW Clubsports are 10kg/mm all around. Anti-roll bars, bushings, wheels and tires, power level, and aero all add to the setup configuration. Many (most?) track day and STR autocross cars run significantly stiffer setups. Race teams use a 7-post shaker (videos from Red Bull F1, Stewart-Haas NASCAR, and General Automotive) to determine the shock calibrations for each track.

I'm not a fan of any twin-tube (the Ohlins TTX is called 'twin-tube' but isn't in the same sense) but the KWs would be a big setup ahead of the Koni's and Tein twin-tubes.

On the budget side there is also the HKS and Fortune Auto monotubes and the possibility of revalved Bilstein PSS shocks. There is also an double adjustable monotube Eiback available with 16kg/mm springs, canisters, and canister brackets from Evasive (it is no longer a general product from Eibach).

In the case of most of these kits, remember that the S2k valving and spring rates were picked when the S2k was a current model and the packages were first introduced. For example, Ohlins has an entirely different way of packaging the springs with their newer DFV packages.