CR Suspension and nonstaggered alignment help
#21
Sounds like a band-aid for faster initial turn-in response. Have you used a pyrometer to verify the camber settings and/or how does your tire wear look? Are you on stock suspension?
#22
Could you provide an example to differentiate an auto-x and track alignment?
#23
Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1328123860' post='21373948
Are you looking for more of an autox or track setup? The two are mutually exclusive, unfortunately.
AutoX demands sharp initial response at the cost of static grip, while the track is the opposite.
AutoX demands sharp initial response at the cost of static grip, while the track is the opposite.
Could you provide an example to differentiate an auto-x and track alignment?
*disclaimer: I'm not a AutoX Driver.
#24
Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1328123860' post='21373948
Are you looking for more of an autox or track setup? The two are mutually exclusive, unfortunately.
AutoX demands sharp initial response at the cost of static grip, while the track is the opposite.
AutoX demands sharp initial response at the cost of static grip, while the track is the opposite.
He offered a lot knowledge too while he was helping me with my suspension and while he took me for a ride in his car. He would not offer advice to someone that he hasn't tried himself and be willing to do it again.
#27
Nice, informative thread.
Considering the square setup what would you say is your most common reason for spinning? Lift throttle? Just carrying too much speed into the corner? Is there a particular kind corner it happens on (sweeper, decreasing radius,etc)?
Is this why you want to change the alignment?... to get the rear to rotate faster? Are you currently holding steering lock too long (or inputting too much) coaxing or waiting for the rear before unwinding again (or some other driver error )
Is this why you want to change the alignment?... to get the rear to rotate faster? Are you currently holding steering lock too long (or inputting too much) coaxing or waiting for the rear before unwinding again (or some other driver error )
#28
Is this why you want to change the alignment?... to get the rear to rotate faster? Are you currently holding steering lock too long (or inputting too much) coaxing or waiting for the rear before unwinding again (or some other driver error )
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My most common reason for spinning was because I didn't know how to recover from it (aka lack of seat time). I would get a point by, and then go into the next corner too hot and/or trail braking without knowing how to handle the rear when it did come out. Now I do, and it doesn't bother me
My setup as it sits now is actually MORE rotation friendly than when I used to spin tons. I now prefer a car that will oversteer under any circumstance, rather than understeer, and have had other drivers tell me that my driving style has changed quite a bit.
#29
psychoazn,
Mind to share how you handle and recover the rear?
My car was originally understeering so much and I am not able to hold the car on my line with the speed. It ends up spinning out. Now, my car oversteers and I am able to hold it on my line but I am not able to have much throttle like used to. If I have more throttle, the car will spin in no time in corner. The spin is too fast that I can't save it. On other car, I can let my hands off my steering wheel and it will rewind and correct the problem. But, it doesn't seem to work on s2k. The rewind speed on s2k is too slow and not enough angle. Maybe it needs a higher caster?
Mind to share how you handle and recover the rear?
My car was originally understeering so much and I am not able to hold the car on my line with the speed. It ends up spinning out. Now, my car oversteers and I am able to hold it on my line but I am not able to have much throttle like used to. If I have more throttle, the car will spin in no time in corner. The spin is too fast that I can't save it. On other car, I can let my hands off my steering wheel and it will rewind and correct the problem. But, it doesn't seem to work on s2k. The rewind speed on s2k is too slow and not enough angle. Maybe it needs a higher caster?
#30
psychoazn,
Mind to share how you handle and recover the rear?
My car was originally understeering so much and I am not able to hold the car on my line with the speed. It ends up spinning out. Now, my car oversteers and I am able to hold it on my line but I am not able to have much throttle like used to. If I have more throttle, the car will spin in no time in corner. The spin is too fast that I can't save it. On other car, I can let my hands off my steering wheel and it will rewind and correct the problem. But, it doesn't seem to work on s2k. The rewind speed on s2k is too slow and not enough angle. Maybe it needs a higher caster?
Mind to share how you handle and recover the rear?
My car was originally understeering so much and I am not able to hold the car on my line with the speed. It ends up spinning out. Now, my car oversteers and I am able to hold it on my line but I am not able to have much throttle like used to. If I have more throttle, the car will spin in no time in corner. The spin is too fast that I can't save it. On other car, I can let my hands off my steering wheel and it will rewind and correct the problem. But, it doesn't seem to work on s2k. The rewind speed on s2k is too slow and not enough angle. Maybe it needs a higher caster?
Is your cornering speed higher or lower with the current oversteer setup vs the original understeer setup? If it's faster, then you may be at the limit of the setup. If it's slower, then the setup may be bad.
Do you have a bucket seat? You should never let go of the steering wheel, unless you're drifting