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Old 05-07-2011, 06:14 AM
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@adrs2k: Change your alignment setting and you'll solve the understeer problem (not completely).
Care to share those changed specs? At the Dragon, I was suffering some serious understeer (and when I forgot to turn VSA off, some serious VSA issues).
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kgf3076 View Post
Originally Posted by takchi' timestamp='1304702353' post='20546576
@adrs2k: Change your alignment setting and you'll solve the understeer problem (not completely).
Care to share those changed specs? At the Dragon, I was suffering some serious understeer (and when I forgot to turn VSA off, some serious VSA issues).
Slight toe-out in the front and less toe-in on the rear. However, the only real way to fix understeer is to go non-staggered first, and then align to preference.
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Originally Posted by psychoazn View Post
Originally Posted by kgf3076' timestamp='1304777641' post='20549250
[quote name='takchi' timestamp='1304702353' post='20546576']
@adrs2k: Change your alignment setting and you'll solve the understeer problem (not completely).
Care to share those changed specs? At the Dragon, I was suffering some serious understeer (and when I forgot to turn VSA off, some serious VSA issues).
Slight toe-out in the front and less toe-in on the rear. However, the only real way to fix understeer is to go non-staggered first, and then align to preference.
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I'm going to gloat that I was faster on 225 front and 255 rear tires than psychoazn on Buttonwillow, but I totally suck on non-stag (a couple seconds slower than psychoazn) so I can't comment about non-stag setup alignment.

If non-stag is not an option:

Run 225/45/17 front tires. 0 toe front and 1/16" total toe-in rear. Front camber needs to be more than rear camber. You want at the very least -2 in the back.
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:20 AM
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I'm going to gloat that I was faster on 225 front and 255 rear tires than psychoazn on Buttonwillow, but I totally suck on non-stag (a couple seconds slower than psychoazn) so I can't comment about non-stag setup alignment.

If non-stag is not an option:

Run 225/45/17 front tires. 0 toe front and 1/16" total toe-in rear. Front camber needs to be more than rear camber. You want at the very least -2 in the back.
What does this do to tire wear? About 90% of the time the car is street driven.
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I'm going to gloat that I was faster on 225 front and 255 rear tires than psychoazn on Buttonwillow, but I totally suck on non-stag (a couple seconds slower than psychoazn) so I can't comment about non-stag setup alignment.

If non-stag is not an option:

Run 225/45/17 front tires. 0 toe front and 1/16" total toe-in rear. Front camber needs to be more than rear camber. You want at the very least -2 in the back.
What does this do to tire wear? About 90% of the time the car is street driven.
You should get LESS wear if you run less toe. All the wear you'll see on tires is based on toe. 1/16" is just enough to keep the car stable at speed. At 0 toe, you're going to be the drift king in your neighborhood if you're not careful.
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:23 PM
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^ Why do you think the CR has more toe from the factory compared to all other models? It seems that with the added toe you can get on the power sooner and not have to worry about over steer, but the car seems to have more under steer and is less willing to rotate because of it.
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by adrs2k View Post
^ Why do you think the CR has more toe from the factory compared to all other models? It seems that with the added toe you can get on the power sooner and not have to worry about over steer, but the car seems to have more under steer and is less willing to rotate because of it.
I'd speculate that they figure CR owners will be driving more aggressively. It stabilizes the rear (in addition to fatter rear tires).

The aero also seems to have a greater effect on the rear than the front.


Anyone else seeing a trend here?
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Ya mean they designed this car to be driven hard

After tracking my '04, and having only driven my CR on the street so far, I think the CR is going to be awesome on the track!

What toe are you non-staggered guys running? On my '04 with 245/255 combo, I ran .30" total toe in on the rear, and the car still was very loose. Stock bars, and 10k springs all around.
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Rear: 0.12" total toe-in.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:10 PM
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1/8" total toe in (same as Tackchi, if he's truncating from 0.125"). I'm gonna go 5/16" on my next alignment.

0 in the front.
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