S2000 CR Supercharging
12-21-2012, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CrackerMacker' timestamp='1356044044' post='22222671
I really enjoy the whole purist vs non purist debate. Especially how the so called purist likes to tell others what to do with their car, when the guy simply asks whether not he needs to do anything about compression when going SC'd.
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FurY, why would you even suggest this? I assume the OP already has CR, and now he's considering SC'ing. Do you really think that because purist frown upon boosting a CR, that he should go buy another S to boost, just to make a purist happy?
12-21-2012, 11:16 AM
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The OP does not have a CR as you can read in his first post. The platforms of the cr vs non are similar except the cost for a comparable non CR s2000 of the same year is thousands less. If the OP is looking to invest into forced induction, that is something to heavily weigh as the engine dynamics are exactly the same. The suggestion of a base was likely encompassing that logic.
12-21-2012, 01:40 PM
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There are a couple other factors than simply purist vs. tuner here.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
12-21-2012, 01:56 PM
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Who's making a big deal of anything? I just enjoy the banter, thats all im saying.
Example of a pointless post =
FurY, why would you even suggest this? I assume the OP already has CR, and now he's considering SC'ing. Do you really think that because purist frown upon boosting a CR, that he should go buy another S to boost, just to make a purist happy?
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Originally Posted by FurY' timestamp='1355934405' post='22219621
I'd go base model if you choose to supercharge.
FurY, why would you even suggest this? I assume the OP already has CR, and now he's considering SC'ing. Do you really think that because purist frown upon boosting a CR, that he should go buy another S to boost, just to make a purist happy?
I agree, nothing wrong with boosting a CR necessarily... totally up to the owner.
OP - Best of luck in your research and do whatever you'll enjoy the most. And what psychoazn said is true about it being unforgiving... I used to own a turbo S2000 and can tell you that it's a lot more twitchy in the bends when you have that extra power.
OP - Best of luck in your research and do whatever you'll enjoy the most. And what psychoazn said is true about it being unforgiving... I used to own a turbo S2000 and can tell you that it's a lot more twitchy in the bends when you have that extra power.
There are a couple other factors than simply purist vs. tuner here.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
12-21-2012, 03:33 PM
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There are a couple other factors than simply purist vs. tuner here.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
Aside being rare, the CR has a huge class advantage in stock class competition. Take a look at how many S2000 CRs placed in the top 25 in B Stock at SCCA nationals this year(13 CRs, 21 S2000s total). So a stock CR is of considerably more value to an autocrosser than a stock base model; but to someone who's just driving the car on the street, a SCed CR is not going to be of that much more value than an SCed base model. As far as racing goes, the class bump for a supercharger puts you in a place where you'd need to upgrade everything unique to the CR to be competitive anyway. Furthermore, most people I've seen supercharge these cars have also gone with aftermarket suspension, which in my mind is the heart of the CR.
The other thing is, most of us who compete with these cars like to focus more on our performance than the car's performance. So even though there are aftermarket parts out there that are appealing to us and we have the means for them, we'd rather keep the car stock and see what we can improve in our driving abilities first. When you see someone who hasn't even driven the stock car at it's limit slap a supercharger on their car, it's like seeing someone sit down to prime rib at a nice restaurant and drowning it in generic A-1 before taking a bite.
But I really like A-1 with my prime rib...As for keeping the CR stock, i get it and dont have a problem with it all, especially for competition use. I just dont get the whole frowned upon thing from a purist standpoint. If someone wants a CR because they like it better than the standard S, but also wants it faster for street use and decides to get a SC, i dont have a problem with that either.
Now if someone were to get a CR, add a soft top and wide body kit to it, remove the wing and front spoiler, and swap an LS1, then I think all of us CR owners would frown upon that.
12-21-2012, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CrackerMacker' timestamp='1356044044' post='22222671
Who's making a big deal of anything? I just enjoy the banter, thats all im saying.
Example of a pointless post = [quote name='FurY' timestamp='1355934405' post='22219621']I'd go base model if you choose to supercharge.
FurY, why would you even suggest this? I assume the OP already has CR, and now he's considering SC'ing. Do you really think that because purist frown upon boosting a CR, that he should go buy another S to boost, just to make a purist happy?
I agree, nothing wrong with boosting a CR necessarily... totally up to the owner.
OP - Best of luck in your research and do whatever you'll enjoy the most. And what psychoazn said is true about it being unforgiving... I used to own a turbo S2000 and can tell you that it's a lot more twitchy in the bends when you have that extra power.
OP - Best of luck in your research and do whatever you'll enjoy the most. And what psychoazn said is true about it being unforgiving... I used to own a turbo S2000 and can tell you that it's a lot more twitchy in the bends when you have that extra power.
I've heard a lot people with a turbo'd S say that the characteristics changed. How so? I'm curious to know, almost curious enough to buy another S just to put a turbo on it and see how different it is than my SC'd CR.
Having a basic SC kit with a Hondata tune, the characteristics havent changed IMO, it's just faster with a smoother transition to vtec. Then again I havent tracked my CR so i dont know how different it is when taking it to the limit.
12-22-2012, 03:09 AM
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I agree with the recommendation to buy a non CR if you want to boost it. You'll save money upfront and be able to build it out more with the money saved. The CR is the CR because...it's the CR. I don't see the point of making a CR something other than a CR. Some people are on mad part hunts just to make a non CR closer to the real thing, myself included.
To each his own but this is a place to express opinions, like it or not. Also posting a question like this in a non FI section is bound to bring out comments not so directly related to the original question.
I pity the fool that boosts a CR or a stock S and doesn't drive it the way it was meant to be driven. I also pity the fool who buys a stock non CR and doesn't drive it the way it was meant to be driven. If you are buying a CR or boosting an S for curb appeal and hard parking go enroll in art school, find another hobby, and learn how to actually drive your car, because in the end the only one you impress is yourself.
To the OP's credit he does sound like he intends to use the car the way it was intended to be used, no matter what or how he builds it. For that, respect is earned.
To each his own but this is a place to express opinions, like it or not. Also posting a question like this in a non FI section is bound to bring out comments not so directly related to the original question.
I pity the fool that boosts a CR or a stock S and doesn't drive it the way it was meant to be driven. I also pity the fool who buys a stock non CR and doesn't drive it the way it was meant to be driven. If you are buying a CR or boosting an S for curb appeal and hard parking go enroll in art school, find another hobby, and learn how to actually drive your car, because in the end the only one you impress is yourself.
To the OP's credit he does sound like he intends to use the car the way it was intended to be used, no matter what or how he builds it. For that, respect is earned.
12-22-2012, 10:47 AM
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