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Old 11-27-2009, 05:28 PM
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will you get any gains tuning a stock engine for race gas?
would it be possible to have a regular 93 map and a racegas map for using a the track?
Old 11-27-2009, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dan_uk,Nov 27 2009, 06:28 PM
will you get any gains tuning a stock engine for race gas?
would it be possible to have a regular 93 map and a racegas map for using a the track?
You will gain some power by tuning the stock engine for race gas, but it won't be a crazy amount.

It will however help the car when you take it to the track and it sees more abuse than normal driving. Race gas has a higher resistance to detonation so as things heat up a bit it will just give some extra safety for the abuse the engine will see.

But it is by no means necessary as I have done a few cars in the 11:1 - 12:1 compression range and they race regularly at the track on pump.
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same story with e85 i suppose? less than +20whp and a lot more fuel burned?
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Originally Posted by ace123,Nov 27 2009, 09:14 PM
same story with e85 i suppose? less than +20whp and a lot more fuel burned?
No. E85 is a completly different type of fuel, it is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.

You need approx 33% more fuel with E85 compared to gasoline. Essentialy it contains less energy per volume than regular gasoline does.

If you run race gas than you really won't use much more gas than you would just running pump gas.
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but I am looking to get around 220RWHP and more midrange I'm at 197RWHP with a VAFC now
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Originally Posted by 93turbo16,Nov 27 2009, 11:42 PM
No. E85 is a completly different type of fuel, it is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.

You need approx 33% more fuel with E85 compared to gasoline. Essentialy it contains less energy per volume than regular gasoline does.

If you run race gas than you really won't use much more gas than you would just running pump gas.
i wasn't clear. i meant aside from requiring increased fuel flow rate, would e85 provide about the same gains?
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Originally Posted by ace123,Nov 28 2009, 10:07 AM
i wasn't clear. i meant aside from requiring increased fuel flow rate, would e85 provide about the same gains?
Sorry about that.

But yes, it would produce very similar results.
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My understanding is that the E85 that is readily available at gas stations is NOT high enough quality to be used as a performance fuel. I think it has to do with the ratio being inconsistant from station to station.
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Originally Posted by gernby,Dec 3 2009, 12:12 PM
My understanding is that the E85 that is readily available at gas stations is NOT high enough quality to be used as a performance fuel. I think it has to do with the ratio being inconsistant from station to station.
Usually if you get it at the same station every time you will be ok. The deviation from station to station can end up costing you big time if you get a blend with less ethanol in it.

A friend of mine two years ago had an issue that was similar where he was tuned on E75 and didn't know it. Went to another station that was E85 and the car was stupid lean. Switched back to the other station and it was all back to normal.
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E85 quality is fine - it is just that it varies by time of the year and location from 70% - 85% ethanol.


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