Originally Posted by riceball777

I have personally owned all the id injectors. I started with the id1000 and thouse were great but maxed out at about 450-500whp on E85. Then I went to the id2000. I keep those for about a month and got rid of them fast because they drove like crap. They drove ok not great but ok on E85 but they were crap on normal 91octane. There's idjectors should be advertised as an E85 only injector. I then went with the id 17000 and keep those for about 6months. And they drove great on E85 but on pump gas 91 octane they drove ok but not great and no where near stock like drivability on pump gas. I now run the id1300 and I'm very happy with them. They drive and idle like stock on both E85 and pump fuel. If you read ids website even they say the id1300 injectors are the biggerst you can go if you want stock idle and drivability on pump 91/93 octane. Now my id1300 are correct maxed out on my E85 tune at 588whp at 20psi of boost with a 50psi base fuel pressure. I also run the walbro 450. I have made as much as 640whp on E85 with the walbro 450 with no issues. A lot of people have made well over 700whp with the walbro 450 on E85 with no issue.

Take me it from my expearence. I always advise people that plan to use normal 91/93 octane in there street car and want good stock like idle and drivability to stay away from injectors larger than the id1300.

Originally Posted by StocS2k

Where you guys pick up the id13000

Originally Posted by riceball777

Then I went to the id2000. I keep those for about a month and got rid of them fast because they drove like crap. They drove ok not great but ok on E85 but they were crap on normal 91octane. There's idjectors should be advertised as an E85 only injector.

Originally Posted by riceball777

If you read ids website even they say the id1300 injectors are the biggerst you can go if you want stock idle and drivability on pump 91/93 octane.

Originally Posted by riceball777

Now my id1300 are correct maxed out on my E85 tune at 588whp at 20psi of boost with a 50psi base fuel pressure. I also run the walbro 450. I have made as much as 640whp on E85 with the walbro 450 with no issues. A lot of people have made well over 700whp with the walbro 450 on E85 with no issue.

Take me it from my expearence. I always advise people that plan to use normal 91/93 octane in there street car and want good stock like idle and drivability to stay away from injectors larger than the id1300.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

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​​​​​​​Lol what?


Going to have to call you out on some stuff here. Four ID1300x's at 50psi flow 5,780 cc/min. One Walbro 450 at 70psi (total system pressure) only flows ~4,900 cc/min. Assuming you aren't running a voltage booster on the pump, you tell me which is the limiting factor there. Something doesn't add up.


OP - If you are wanting to safely make 600whp+ you need to step up to the ID1700x's. Mine definitely doesn't idle at stoich on 93, but its far from undriveable. Tuner plays a HUGE role in getting them to idle and drive well.

Originally Posted by riceball777

ID1700x Injectors - Injector Dynamics

if you read the description of the id1700 this is what it says

"The ID1700x will deliver flawless stoichiometric idle and cruise mixtures on E85, but like the ID2000, should not be expected to do so on gasoline. If you need flawless drivability on gasoline, the ID1300x will provide this, and is capable of approximately 150hp per injector on E85."

like i said i only speak from experience and i have owned and used for the id1700 and the id2000 and they do not drive well on normal pump gas 91/93octance 10% ethanol fuel. They will not drive like a stock car. Hell every the actual id website tell you that.

Originally Posted by riceball777

now like i said i speak from expearence and about the walbro 450 e85 pump. This pump will support over 700whp on straight e85. This pump will spport way more than what the id1300cc injecter can. I personally run this pump and my id1300 are maxed out on e85 at 588whp at a 50psi base fuel pressure. when i was running my id1700 i have made 640whp on e85 and the walbro 450 and the id1700 was not close to being maxed out. Many people on here as well on honda tech have made over 700whp on e85 on a single walbro 450 fuel pump.

You are correct when you do say that with e85 and a 600+whp goal you do need the id1700 but you will sacrifice drivability on pump gas.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

I agree with all of that. I was laughing at the fact you opened up saying that you wished ID would tell people that ID2000's are recommended for E85 and won't run well on other fuels, and then recited that exact recommendation right off the website. How does that make sense? You also just proved it again from a separate page, we are very up front with the recommended fuels, so why complain about how you wished ID told you about them being more tailored to ethanol?


You can claim any HP number you want to, that doesn't change the fact that four ID1300's at 50psi outflow a single pump at 12.5v and 70psi (12.5 is assumed, if its higher than that does affect things). That's not a subjective matter, its 100% based on actual data provided by both manufacturers. You can have your opinion, that doesn't make it right. Back up your argument with some facts, like actual flow data. The injectors flow X amount and the pump flows X amount; whichever is less is the limiting factor.
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