New ID1700's
07-12-2015, 01:34 AM
#21
From Tony1 on a gtr forum:
"There are two part numbers to this injector, 0 280 158 333 and 0 280 158 334. 333 is made for Bosch Aftermarket and 334 is made for ASNU. The injector is identical.
These new injectors represent the highest flow possible using standard EV-14 production parts. We have been down this road already as part of the development process of the ID1750, and found that 1350cc/min is as far as we could go before response, voltage sensitivity, and pressure sensitivity became problematic.
The approximately 1750cc/min injector we are working on has several newly designed parts, one of which we are making in house on our new CNC. The design, fabrication, and testing of custom internals is time consuming, even with Bosch Motorsport and Injector Dynamics working together. We WILL NOT release sub-standard parts just to be first to market. Our reputation is based on offering the best parts, not the ones that are easiest to sell.
The new injector from Bosch Aftermarket is a standard EV-14 with the highest possible lift, using off the shelf parts, so that it can be built on the standard production line. The result is whatever minimum fuel mass, voltage sensitivity, pressure sensitivity, and part to part consistency you get after increasing lift to the absolute limit. This is not a custom hand built injector like the ID1300, and has little in common with our upcoming injector except for the basic EV-14 architecture.
We have been tracking the development of this piece from the beginning and have tested numerous samples already. Our numbers do not match what is being quoted by ASNU and FIC. Our data shows the static flow can range anywhere from 1360cc/min to 1580cc/min. Bosch Motorsport has confirmed that this is within the specified tolerances, according to the official Bosch build documentation for the 0 280 158 333 and 0 280 158 334."
The injectors with heat sensitivity issues, from what I could find, are part number 0 280 158 827. The new fic1650 is 0 280 158 334. The id1700 looks the same, but that sounds like that is about all they share. My spec sheet for the high z 1650 shows 1580cc @ 43.5psi.
"There are two part numbers to this injector, 0 280 158 333 and 0 280 158 334. 333 is made for Bosch Aftermarket and 334 is made for ASNU. The injector is identical.
These new injectors represent the highest flow possible using standard EV-14 production parts. We have been down this road already as part of the development process of the ID1750, and found that 1350cc/min is as far as we could go before response, voltage sensitivity, and pressure sensitivity became problematic.
The approximately 1750cc/min injector we are working on has several newly designed parts, one of which we are making in house on our new CNC. The design, fabrication, and testing of custom internals is time consuming, even with Bosch Motorsport and Injector Dynamics working together. We WILL NOT release sub-standard parts just to be first to market. Our reputation is based on offering the best parts, not the ones that are easiest to sell.
The new injector from Bosch Aftermarket is a standard EV-14 with the highest possible lift, using off the shelf parts, so that it can be built on the standard production line. The result is whatever minimum fuel mass, voltage sensitivity, pressure sensitivity, and part to part consistency you get after increasing lift to the absolute limit. This is not a custom hand built injector like the ID1300, and has little in common with our upcoming injector except for the basic EV-14 architecture.
We have been tracking the development of this piece from the beginning and have tested numerous samples already. Our numbers do not match what is being quoted by ASNU and FIC. Our data shows the static flow can range anywhere from 1360cc/min to 1580cc/min. Bosch Motorsport has confirmed that this is within the specified tolerances, according to the official Bosch build documentation for the 0 280 158 333 and 0 280 158 334."
The injectors with heat sensitivity issues, from what I could find, are part number 0 280 158 827. The new fic1650 is 0 280 158 334. The id1700 looks the same, but that sounds like that is about all they share. My spec sheet for the high z 1650 shows 1580cc @ 43.5psi.
07-13-2015, 11:11 AM
#22
The 1500, "1650" and "1700" injectors I've tested on my car were not "perfect" on pump gas as far as idle, but FAR more acceptable than the 2000cc variants. The idle did pop a bit, but no bs beyond that. They are a good option for a 600-700 flex fuel build, I would expect the ID1700's to be similar in behavior.
07-16-2015, 07:23 AM
#24
10-25-2015, 08:23 AM
#26
I have them in my E85 S2000. Was originally on ID1000's and 93 then got greedy and went to ID1700's and E85. Car is making about 600whp and seriously idles/drives great even with the bigger cams I have.
10-25-2015, 03:50 PM
#27
Originally Posted by staylor725' timestamp='1445268913' post='23779803
Has anyone tried the Id 1700cc injector's yet? looking to upgrade my dw 1300cc injector's and I feel the 2000cc are to big for my goals.
10-26-2015, 09:34 AM
#28
Originally Posted by hatrickstu' timestamp='1445790208' post='23785539
[quote name='staylor725' timestamp='1445268913' post='23779803']
Has anyone tried the Id 1700cc injector's yet? looking to upgrade my dw 1300cc injector's and I feel the 2000cc are to big for my goals.
Has anyone tried the Id 1700cc injector's yet? looking to upgrade my dw 1300cc injector's and I feel the 2000cc are to big for my goals.
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I haven't had them on gas so I can't comment there. It honestly shouldn't be very bad. I have a brushless fuel pump setup you can't purchase so I can't help you there. Base pressure is 45psi.
10-26-2015, 10:32 AM
#29
10-26-2015, 11:56 AM
#30
Originally Posted by hatrickstu' timestamp='1445880860' post='23786411
I have a brushless fuel pump setup you can't purchase so I can't help you there.
Those pumps are so badass. I know you're probably not at liberty to say but...do you have any idea when they will be released?