Whipple Supercharger S2000 Kit
#71
I think your confusing what im saying. Or maybe im communicating it awkwardly. They posted dyno numbers of 440hp on 17psi on e85 on a 2.2l motor. I stated that seemed low, i would expect another 100hp, discounting the compression being lower. Asked for additional info on fuel, etc. Asked if it was a low reading dyno because at 17psi on e85 supercharged s2000s are putting out much higher numbers. They responded it was in fact a low reading dyno. So where is the issue?
For a supercharger with an air-to-water intercooler, they include atmospheric temp and pressure, intercooler water temp and volume, intercooler efficiency which can be affected by how the air is blown through it, the octane of the fuel, and if the fuel is oxygenated. Fill a large water volume intercooler with 35F water on a 40F day with 30.5 in Hg pressure and the results will be higher, especially if tuning the ignition time, fuel, and boost.
Any boost in octane would allow more boost and ignition timing.
Therefore knowing the conditions is critical to evaluating the results. Could some get 525hp on 2.153@8200 rpm with 17psi? Possibly, but some other factor would have been juiced.
https://wahiduddin.net/calc/cf.htm
https://www.dynomitedynamometer.com/...horsepower.htm
Relative Horsepower Calculator
This stuff could be a 10% difference.
Note that friction is where a lot of the power goes. It is possible to focus on building a low drag engine. In big dollar, competitive racing series it is the norm. However, I would be shocked if anyone running an S2000 did that...there is no racing series where it would be a benefit and there are far less expensive ways to make power.
#72
this is a perfect example of 3 different vehicles with 3 different kits on pump gas, that on e85 would provide more power, one of which did actually put out more power on pump gas
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-fo...n1200-1136585/
There are a lot of things that can happen in an individual dyno run (or run down the strip). An example was Sunday's Indy qualifying, where clouds determined the starting order.
For a supercharger with an air-to-water intercooler, they include atmospheric temp and pressure, intercooler water temp and volume, intercooler efficiency which can be affected by how the air is blown through it, the octane of the fuel, and if the fuel is oxygenated. Fill a large water volume intercooler with 35F water on a 40F day with 30.5 in Hg pressure and the results will be higher, especially if tuning the ignition time, fuel, and boost.
Any boost in octane would allow more boost and ignition timing.
Therefore knowing the conditions is critical to evaluating the results. Could some get 525hp on 2.153@8200 rpm with 17psi? Possibly, but some other factor would have been juiced.
https://wahiduddin.net/calc/cf.htm
https://www.dynomitedynamometer.com/...horsepower.htm
Relative Horsepower Calculator
This stuff could be a 10% difference.
Note that friction is where a lot of the power goes. It is possible to focus on building a low drag engine. In big dollar, competitive racing series it is the norm. However, I would be shocked if anyone running an S2000 did that...there is no racing series where it would be a benefit and there are far less expensive ways to make power.
For a supercharger with an air-to-water intercooler, they include atmospheric temp and pressure, intercooler water temp and volume, intercooler efficiency which can be affected by how the air is blown through it, the octane of the fuel, and if the fuel is oxygenated. Fill a large water volume intercooler with 35F water on a 40F day with 30.5 in Hg pressure and the results will be higher, especially if tuning the ignition time, fuel, and boost.
Any boost in octane would allow more boost and ignition timing.
Therefore knowing the conditions is critical to evaluating the results. Could some get 525hp on 2.153@8200 rpm with 17psi? Possibly, but some other factor would have been juiced.
https://wahiduddin.net/calc/cf.htm
https://www.dynomitedynamometer.com/...horsepower.htm
Relative Horsepower Calculator
This stuff could be a 10% difference.
Note that friction is where a lot of the power goes. It is possible to focus on building a low drag engine. In big dollar, competitive racing series it is the norm. However, I would be shocked if anyone running an S2000 did that...there is no racing series where it would be a benefit and there are far less expensive ways to make power.
the guy who actually developed the kit, already responded to one of the questions regarding the dyno however didn't answer my other questions. i would appreciate if you stopped responding to me
#73
It is a low reading dyno. Just to show a comparison we are going to bring it to a local shop dyno with the same tune and make a few dyno pulls. Once we can get in there we will post the results. That may be more comparable to others' dynos they are used to seeing the car on.
thank you for responding to this, i look forward to seeing the dyno sheets on a different dyno for comparison... also I didn't see anything posted regarding which injectors/fuel pump is being used
thanks!
#74
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#75
Ah sorry must have missed that. The car had a walbro 450 and ID2000s. The car was originally a turbo setup car. We removed it to develop this. That is why the engine is lower compression and stuff.
#76
Site Moderator
How about we all calm down? I expect better from long time members of the forum so only warning. Just move along. Happy to lock the thread as well if it's just going to spiral into a further cluster.
#79
Looks like the big aluminum block with runners is the heat exchanger. You can see some fins in the square opening in the second pic.
Also, the pipe with the elongated opening would connect to the inlet of the supercharger--which isn't pictured. From memory, these superchargers draw in air from an oval opening at the end opposite of the pulley gear. Looks like it couples to the aluminum pipe, which connects to the TB.
That's what I make of it by looking at the installed pics on their website.
#80
There is a air to water intercooler core built into the manifold. Just hook up the water system and away you go.
Are you referring to the black component? That is the intake elbow for the supercharger.
Are you referring to the black component? That is the intake elbow for the supercharger.