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krnmike 03-27-2010 12:02 PM

Dymag wheel fail
 
I think these go about $10g per set. Carbon & Magnesium.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/...3e20b541_o.jpg

...sucks
r comps +1
wheel +0

prancer 03-27-2010 12:05 PM

That sucks big time. :eek3:

Monkeyboi 03-27-2010 12:08 PM

What car did that to those wheels?

BeachBumS2K 03-27-2010 12:10 PM

i was wondering how strong those were. what happened? drag/track/autoX? was it on an S?

krnmike 03-27-2010 12:14 PM


The wheel was broken at a track event in Mexico the customer runs full slicks all the time at the track and these wheels had about 60 full track days on them unfortunately they were not checked after each event and the spoke developed a hairline crack that started from the engraving on the back of the spoke. They stamp the back of the spokes with the model number of the mold. The crack propagated causing the spoke to break in half and transfering the weight load the the remaining spoke as he continued to run the wheel then broke as he was in a straight line braking zone at the end of a staright away.
The damage to the car was minimal about $10k and Dymag paid for the damage and the full set of wheels the car was back at the track in 10 days time and the customer was fully reimbursed.
The magnesium center was sent to a testing lab here in the U.S. to make sure that it had all the properties it should have for cast magnesium the test results came back with passing results and upon inspection of the wheel it was determined that fatigue was what caused the failure.

These wheels have been used in racing by a BMW British Turing car team that competed two season with no problems and won a 24 hour race as well as a podium in a 12 hour race and many sprint races.
GMG used the wheel for two full season on the Time attack series with no issues and even said they gained time at Infineon as they could drive over the curbs much harder then they could with the BBS race wheels as the Dymag absorbed the impact and the BBS would have bent

Dymag has changed the center disc material to a forged exotic metal called Magnalium this is a hybrid of Magnesium and Aluminum and contains the best properties of each. The magnesium offers the lightweight and strength and the forged aluminum offers the non-corrosive property that is one of the downfalls of magnesium.

This new center disc material will be on every new Dymag wheel starting delivery next month we stopped taking oders in August so that we could be sure of the testing of the new material I will attach the updates I recived on the testing but you can be sure that DYMAG wheels are properly tested to the multiply requirements of TUV,JWL,DOT and they have passed independent test by General Motors in both the Cadillac and Corvette divisions as well as Mclaren.

I want people to understand that many brands of wheels have failed at some point but track events is where you hear and see about them but what you need to know and understand is how does the company stand behind its product and I think you can see from this story that Dymag handeled this customer quick so that he was back on the track at his next event.

Following is the test results in progress on the new Magnalium center Dymag wheels these same test were used in the original magnesium centers as well and then you will read they have done real world testing on the track at SPA and Silverstone in the last month.

The wheel has now completed 1 million cycles of cornering fatigue comprising of 500,000 cycles at 550kg static wheel load (2,200kg gross vehicle weight) and then 500,000 cycles at 600kg static load (2,400kg gross vehicle weight). The test load has a large safety factor incorporated into the calculation, which gives a test load of 2,200 ft lbs at 550kg static and 2,500 ft lbs at 600kg static. The British Standard test duration is only 150,000 cycles and so completing 1 million cycles at these loads with no damage or air-leakage is an impressive result." The radial fatigue test has thus far completed 500,000 cycles at 550kg static load, which gives a test load of 1,237kgs. This is the required British Standard test duration. This test will run on to a million cycles, which is twice the required duration and then assuming there are no problems; we will increase the load and retest. We have also arranged a race test at SPA on 8th and 9th October on a race prepared GT3, where it will be pushed to the extreme including driving back and forth from the shop:

Here is the report from SPA:

Although I have yet to receive the full results of the tests at Spa, Jon Oakley has given me an interim review of what happened whilst I was in Italy, the car was fitted with the latest Pirelli Corsa competition tyres that are road legal and was driven to Spa and back very hard on the same set of tyres, including the old concrete Jabbeke Highway which is a very fast freeway that creates incredible noise and vibration from the surface and is renowned as a wheel breaker (Jaguar did the original testing of the XK120 there in 1959). Wednesday morning was raining lightly and then the circuit dried, the rest of Wednesday and all Thursday was dry. There were only 2 other cars quicker than the Oakley Porsche, a GT1 Aston Martin and a DTM Mercedes, the Oakley 997 GT3RS is a very quick car with a very efficient Oakley Design Ti exhaust, Intrax suspension, carbon cage, ceramic brakes, race calipers etc and is quicker than the Porsche Supercup cars. Jon is a good, reliable and quick race/test driver who gives good feedback beyond the data logger information. The following observations were as Jon reported:

* The wheels have not cracked
* The car handled better and steered more precisely on the Al centre (stiffness) compared to the Mg centre – Jon was able to conduct a back to back comparison. Maximum “observed” temperatures within the rim (infra red pyrometer readings) were 92°
* There were absolutely no leaks
* There was no creaking noise
* There was no grey streaking down the tyre sidewall from the carbon/metal joint>>
* A very small amount of the black Adheseal was extruded from the spoke end joint – excessive application??


The wheels should be back available to us by Tuesday, so we should strip and examine the joints/centres etc carefully. Jon will give us a full report with lap timings on the treatments and settings I asked him to give the car to fully load the wheels, he sounded a very happy man!!


As you have read the testing is very extensive and they used this product for two years in racing before they introduced it to the market in 2006 there have been some issues with leaking and the centers making noise but it was all due to the old technology magnesium centers so in an effort to eliminate these problems more testing and the development of the Magnelium has come to pass.

The new centers will be avilable from December and Dymag stands behind its prodcut and its customers. I have been in the wheel business 16 years and I have run Dymag wheels on my 996 GT3 at the track for two years.
imagine running cast alloy wheels with r comps. i bet all of yours is bent (well..depending how you drive at the track).... :D :D


I want people to understand that many brands of wheels have failed at some point ... but what you need to know and understand is how does the company stand behind its product and I think you can see from this story that Dymag handeled this customer quick so that he was back on the track at his next event.
^^^^great customer service saves lives? i guess wheels breaking during a full on event is ok, as long as customer service is 10/10.

madcowdk 03-27-2010 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by krnmike,Mar 27 2010, 03:14 PM


^^^^great customer service saves lives? i guess wheels breaking during a full on event is ok, as long as customer service is 10/10.

:iagree:


This whole story is unreal. Glad to see they took care of the problem. :thumbup:

krnmike 03-27-2010 12:33 PM

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-tur...uestions-2.html

krnmike 03-27-2010 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by madcowdk,Mar 27 2010, 12:25 PM
:iagree:


This whole story is unreal. Glad to see they took care of the problem. :thumbup:

u didn't catch my sarcasm :D

spook 03-27-2010 01:01 PM

Ouch :/ Hooray for forged wheels :thumbup: :LOL:

Vik2000 03-27-2010 01:56 PM


so that he was back on the track at his next event.
I don't know if I wanna rock their wheels again if I were the customer man... :rolleyes:

"Hey! don't worry about wheels failing during your track days. If they break, then we'll just make you another set so you can make it to the next event on time!"

Monkeyboi 03-27-2010 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Vik2000,Mar 27 2010, 01:56 PM
I don't know if I wanna rock their wheels again if I were the customer man... :rolleyes:

"Hey! don't worry about wheels failing during your track days. If they break, then we'll just make you another set so you can make it to the next event on time!"

Being professionals they could of checked their wheels before each race. If they detected it early, they would of gotten replaced. They check tires, why not check the wheels? :ponder:

krnmike 03-27-2010 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Monkeyboi,Mar 27 2010, 02:14 PM
Being professionals they could of checked their wheels before each race. If they detected it early, they would of gotten replaced. They check tires, why not check the wheels? :ponder:

the guy that owned that wheel was an independent driver with no team. I think if his car was professional, maybe it would have logistics that would reveal that something is wrong ahead of time? or maybe they would've checked it. wheels are tricky though.

no one really knows how it broke though. the guy that wrote the explanation isn't the owner of the wheels. he seems like a fanboy of dymag :suspect:. Also, if it's true, it's said that the wheel had a thin crack while the car was running....but i don't know how they ever found that out while the car is moving (because the guy said the wheels were never checked before).


unfortunately they were not checked after each event and the spoke developed a hairline crack that started from the engraving on the back of the spoke. They stamp the back of the spokes with the model number of the mold. The crack propagated causing the spoke to break in half and transfering the weight load the the remaining spoke as he continued to run the wheel then broke as he was in a straight line braking zone at the end of a staright away.

the s2k dude 03-27-2010 03:15 PM

ALL wheels can Fail. because this wheel differs from the norm, people are going to say its the wheels fault blah blah blah..

now if the majority of the wheels sold had problems, that is another story..

the fact that the company paid for the damage and replace the FULL SET of wheels is worth the 10k purchase price from the get go. if a company will back up their product like they seem to be doing then thats all i need to know. other companies selling crappy parts life threatening or not, but not replacing them is not worth my money

madcowdk 03-27-2010 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by krnmike,Mar 27 2010, 03:34 PM
u didn't catch my sarcasm :D

:banghead: :LOL:

badboy00z 03-28-2010 12:51 AM

IMO those fancy wheels should not be used on the track.

Mr. Francesco 03-28-2010 03:38 AM

Ouch, Dymag handled that issue very well, great customer service and problem resolution. I'm not sure I would ever buy their rims though. I rather have a nice set of BBS's for that money.

tomsport 03-28-2010 04:28 AM

for running full slick full time plus 60 track days. i'd give it :thumbup: :thumbup:

Nick. 03-28-2010 04:44 AM

so are there as many dymag hate threads as rota? i mean i've seem a similar pic of a rota wheel

:LOL:

Sr2oD3 03-28-2010 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by badboy00z,Mar 28 2010, 12:51 AM
IMO those fancy wheels should not be used on the track.

I thought they were developed for competition use... :confused:

badboy00z 03-28-2010 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sr2oD3,Mar 28 2010, 09:29 AM
I thought they were developed for competition use... :confused:

I don't know if they are or not. The spokes looks like they are just glued to the carbon fiber. Lol. How exactly are they attached?

Stealth Operator 03-28-2010 04:42 PM

Most of that official response looks like technical fluff to me, apart from saying their product is "superior", they look after their customers and they improved the product at the same time. They no doubt highlighted their own flaws.

I don't understand why they used cast magnesium centers, when I'd be expecting it to be forged magnesium all the way. Also, the spokes looks like it's glued on to the carbon rim? I can't see how the cast magnesium spokes and carbon could have bonded together otherwise in the picture.

Although I'm not a diehard BBS fan, but BBS products are time and record proven to be successfully used in F1 and aerospace. The slapping comparisons of BBS are uncalled for. Seriously, no amount of G force generated will be equivalent of the entire weight of a fully loaded passenger/cargo aircraft landing at speed.

If it ain't 100% forged magnesium, aluminum or combined, I wouldn't bother with anything else for serious use. These carbon wheels look bling, but they certainly don't win the trust factor.

aemkitfox 03-28-2010 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by badboy00z,Mar 28 2010, 05:50 PM
I don't know if they are or not. The spokes looks like they are just glued to the carbon fiber. Lol. How exactly are they attached?

:iagree:

Glued together wheels FTL


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