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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 06:27 AM
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I've done a lot of searching on the boards and there is much mixed info. on whether it's OK to run a conservative spring like Eibachs w/ the stock shocks or not. Some have that setup and say it's OK, others say don't do it.
What's a good consensus on this issue?
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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That was my previous setup from September '08 to about 2 months ago. Worked fine for me...Ran plenty of canyons and was just fine. It's actually one of the better setups because the eibachs' spring rates are not as high as some of the other lowering springs offered but to be fair the eibachs don't lower the car by as much as the other lowering springs either. Another good note is the rear springs spring rate is almost identical to the C/R's rear spring rate...342(eibach)-343(C/R).

If I was in your position I would opt for the Ground Control setup(Eiback makes the springs for the ground controls and you can order custom spring rates) and turn the springs into a full coilover setup so you are able to adjust the hieght on the fly. Hope this helped.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rubn1out4GudLuk,Jul 28 2009, 11:57 AM
That was my previous setup from September '08 to about 2 months ago. Worked fine for me...Ran plenty of canyons and was just fine. It's actually one of the better setups because the eibachs' spring rates are not as high as some of the other lowering springs offered but to be fair the eibachs don't lower the car by as much as the other lowering springs either. Another good note is the rear springs spring rate is almost identical to the C/R's rear spring rate...342(eibach)-343(C/R).

If I was in your position I would opt for the Ground Control setup(Eiback makes the springs for the ground controls and you can order custom spring rates) and turn the springs into a full coilover setup so you are able to adjust the hieght on the fly. Hope this helped.
Thanks for the input!
Do you have any pics of your ride when the Eibachs were installed?
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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my front passenger shock blew from having springs on there. espelirs on stock ap2 shocks, now i have konis
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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I've been on Eibachs for over three years on stock shocks. No problems here.

See car is sig for pic.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Knight,Jul 28 2009, 08:46 AM
Thanks for the input!
Do you have any pics of your ride when the Eibachs were installed?





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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rubn1out4GudLuk,Jul 28 2009, 07:57 AM
That was my previous setup from September '08 to about 2 months ago. Worked fine for me...Ran plenty of canyons and was just fine. It's actually one of the better setups because the eibachs' spring rates are not as high as some of the other lowering springs offered but to be fair the eibachs don't lower the car by as much as the other lowering springs either. Another good note is the rear springs spring rate is almost identical to the C/R's rear spring rate...342(eibach)-343(C/R).

If I was in your position I would opt for the Ground Control setup(Eiback makes the springs for the ground controls and you can order custom spring rates) and turn the springs into a full coilover setup so you are able to adjust the hieght on the fly. Hope this helped.
ding ding ding

notice the eibach(and just about every spring) is designed for ap1, early ap1 suspension, it will not match the dampervalving of the ap2. Most people just throw it on and that's that. But if you do a tad more research you'll find out how much the suspension change over the year.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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Love the look, especially w/ the painted/powdercoated stock rims!!
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:30 AM
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Quote:
OEM:
00-01 - Fr: 218(3.9) - Rr: 291(5.2)
02-03 - Fr: 240(4.3) - Rr: 230(4.1) Guestimate
2004
If calculated against 00-01 rates
Fr: 233(4.16) - Rr: 262(4.68) (218 - 7%= 233) (291 - 10%= 262)
If calculated against 02-03 rates
Fr: 256(4.57) - Rr: 207(3.7) (guestimate)

KG/mm sport:
Fr: 398(7.0) - Rr: 448(8.0)

Neuspeed:
Fr: 280(5.0) - Rr: 215(3.8)

Tein S-Tech:
Fr: 297(5.3) - Rr: 364(6.5)

Espelir Active Super Down
Fr: 313.6(5.5) - Rr: 392(7.0)

Eibach Pro-Kit EDIT
Fr: 262(4.67) - Rr: 342(6.1)

Eibach Ground-Control
340f 380r- Custom rates available.

Buddy Club coilovers
Fr: 569(10) - Rr: 569(10)

H&R coilovers
Fr: 345(6.16) - Rr: 345(6.16)

Spoon Sports Progressive Springs
Fr: 263(4.7) - Rr: 386(6.9)

Tanabe GF210
Fr: 283(5.0) - Rr: 378(6.75)

Tein Type CS coilover
Fr: 224(4.0) - Rr: 336(6.0)

Tein Type RA coilover
Fr: 559(10) - Rr: 559(10)

Backyard Special European R Springs
Fr: 262(4.6) Rr: 335(5.9)

PSS9: 345F/285R with 85lb helper springs at the front



Here's a list i've compiled. I believe there's an updated one out there but this should give you an idea
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iDomN8U,Jul 28 2009, 01:30 PM
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OEM:
00-01 - Fr: 218(3.9) - Rr: 291(5.2)
02-03 - Fr: 240(4.3) - Rr: 230(4.1) Guestimate
2004
If calculated against 00-01 rates
Fr: 233(4.16) - Rr: 262(4.68) (218 - 7%= 233) (291 - 10%= 262)
If calculated against 02-03 rates
Fr: 256(4.57) - Rr: 207(3.7) (guestimate)

KG/mm sport:
Fr: 398(7.0) - Rr: 448(8.0)

Neuspeed:
Fr: 280(5.0) - Rr: 215(3.8)

Tein S-Tech:
Fr: 297(5.3) - Rr: 364(6.5)

Espelir Active Super Down
Fr: 313.6(5.5) - Rr: 392(7.0)

Eibach Pro-Kit EDIT
Fr: 262(4.67) - Rr: 342(6.1)

Eibach Ground-Control
340f 380r- Custom rates available.

Buddy Club coilovers
Fr: 569(10) - Rr: 569(10)

H&R coilovers
Fr: 345(6.16) - Rr: 345(6.16)

Spoon Sports Progressive Springs
Fr: 263(4.7) - Rr: 386(6.9)

Tanabe GF210
Fr: 283(5.0) - Rr: 378(6.75)

Tein Type CS coilover
Fr: 224(4.0) - Rr: 336(6.0)

Tein Type RA coilover
Fr: 559(10) - Rr: 559(10)

Backyard Special European R Springs
Fr: 262(4.6) Rr: 335(5.9)

PSS9: 345F/285R with 85lb helper springs at the front



Here's a list i've compiled. I believe there's an updated one out there but this should give you an idea
Thanks for the info, so it looks like the Eibachs would be pretty close to stock in the front, and basically the exact same as the CR stock in the rear, so I'm guessing the stock shocks should hold up OK?
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