unison21

I recently picked up a Recaro Pole Position and I wanted to install it using the Nagisa Double Lock rails but they didn't fit. I ended up buying the Buddy Club Super Low seat rails despite the bad reviews about the welds. I'm planning on added some additional welds the hopefully strengthen the rails.

Since I had both the Nagisa and BC rails in my possession, I decided to compare them side by side to see possibly help other s2ki members with their decision. To start off why the Nagisa doesn't fit, the Nagisa rails don't have as much adjustability in terms of width, they can only fit a standard width seat (i.e. Recaro Profi), and not a wide seat like the Recaro Pole Position.

Here is a photo of both rails, the Buddy Club is on top, the Nagisa on bottom.
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Notice the Buddy Club has two separate brackets for front/rear while the Nagisa has one long bracket. I think this is why the Buddy club has problems with the slider functionality when the seat is fully installed. The left and right rails of the Buddy Club end up not being perfectly parallel which makes it difficult to impossible to slide once everything is bolted down tight.

Here is another look at both rails: Nagisa on left, and BC on right
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If you look at the Nagisa, the Pole Position would probably fit is the Lock bars weren't in the way of flipping the brackets. With the BC rails, you can flip the top brackets to allow for more adjustability in width which can compensate for wide or narrow seats. Also notice how the Nagisa overall is shorter than the BC rails. The Nagisa has more clearance under the rails, but the top brackets don't extend as far up. This allows seats to be even lower using the Nagisa. If you're a very tall skinny guy, I'd recommend the Nagisa rails to get the lowest possible seat height.

Here are some more comparison photos of the two rails: (Nagisa left, BC right)
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Nagisa in front (shorter overall), BC in back.
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Comparing quality, the weight of the two rails are comparable but the welds of the Nagisa definitely look better. I can see why there have been complaints of the BC weld quality because the spot welds seem to be minimal.

Installing the BC rails was a pain. I must have taken the seat in and out of the car a dozen times to try to get all the holes to line up properly. After many hours of cutting up my hands and cursing I finally got it to fit, but the seat doesn't slide back or forth. I have to set the seat at the proper distance from the wheel and then tighten everything down. I'm going to have to take it all apart one more time to install a seat belt extender since it doesn't reach past the side bolster.

One last note, I read in a thread that the taller bracket was supposed to go in the back, but I believe when installed correctly (w/ the bracket bolts inside of the brackets hidden from view) then the taller bracket is supposed to go in front.

ploatman

Thanks for the write up and pictures. Do you know exactly how much the Nagisa rail lowers the seat compared to OEM? I've been trying to find out how much it actually lowers the seating position all night and can't find anything specific.

Thanks,

-Paul

lonewolf

x2 the taller bracket is supposed to go in front on bc rails

unison21

Yeah I figured that out later. That said, the Nagisa can go lower. But the limiting factor is the seat when it hits the floor of the car.

Savedsol

I'd love to get the sidemounts from the Nagisa on my Buddy Club to get that extra bit lower. That's really the limiting factor on height difference between the two since the BC rail is lower.

Maybe a new project for GP Fab or Moddiction? Please?

Norcalnightrider530

Hey man was wondering on the nagisa rail on the side bracket did u put the 4 hole option on front and put the 3 in back? I have them the other way ATM kinda need the seat lower too figure maybe I needed to do that maybe let me me know here or shoot me a text when ya get w chance Names Michael btw 15305184470

boyguan

F1 spec sells the super low mounting brackets if you need them. My wide seat hits the rails in the back on the lowest setting of the original buddy club so no need.

My seat slides great with the buddy club. It won't go all the way back as the rear driver side bolt hits the rails my seat isn't 100 percent installed but 99 percent there as i need to tighten it down and route the belt

Measure the distance of the rails apart to see if its parallel. This will help I'm the slider

AngryTurtle

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/545...t__p__21622984