t-o_double_d

I just don't understand why so many people complain about using race tires on a race track it seems. I understand starting out learning to drive on street tires but eventually you need to ditch the training wheels and get some real rubber. Street tires at a race track is like drinking water at a bar or buying a hooker to just talk to... you can source race tires from a number of places like race teams that use a set for qualify or testing but dump them after just a couple of heat cycles. yes they aren't optimal but guess what... they will he a hell of a lot faster than any of the street tires and typically at a significantly less price. but maybe its cool to also say i have the "unofficial s2000 track record on 200tw tires with a wing and coils under 1500 but no splitter but with canards"

s2000ellier

slowd16

Hoosiers don't HC out like that. ~40 HC's should be close to the end of their life and starting to show cords. They do get slower as the cycles increase but they wont be rocks with tons of tread left, unless you don't take care of the tires properly.

Mrsideways

I've won many events on Ebay used Hoosiers for $200 for a set and turning one lap per day at a nasa event. Far cheaper then buying a set of Street tires. I like Todd don't get the resistance to buy real tires for driving on a track. Back before I had a truck and trailer and was in college, I got 4 hoosiers, Jack and tools in my S2000 to drive to events and I stored the tires under my bed in my college dorm (I built a platform to hold two tires ontop of the trunk cause I also didnt have a silly wing). This whole 200 TW thing that's taken over (and has now infiltrated SCCA) is some sort of hippie crowd of slow guys that can't figure out how to drive on hoosiers. Here is your "street tire" now everyone gets a participation trophy.

Mrsideways

Also, on that note. Support America. Buy an American Made Tire from an American Company.... hoosier.

f20kills

f20kills

helothere

I would try Hoosiers if I had a truck and a trailer.

Since most people drive to/back from the track they can't just run Hoosiers in CA.


Honestly the real "minimum" setup for Sub 2 would be squared setup Hoosiers with wheels and decent brakes, coilovers.

Bullwings

Most people in SoCal drive to the track in their car, run the event, and drive back.

For me it's a 340 mile+ round trip with 4 20-25 minute hotlap sessions.

I don't run with NASA or SCCA. I just do a local company that organizes and hosts the events. They do amateur 1-make series (or similar makes - i.e. HFF - honda fwd or Bimmer Challenge) time attack events. There are enough tracks in a 170 mile radius (5, not including CW and CCW variations, as well as other tracks like Buttonwillow with multiple layouts) of SoCal to make running a series without the need of a truck and trailer possible and still have track variation between events.

The rule sets are generally tailored for having fun and keeping running costs lower. No one is paying us to do this, and there really isn't a tire contingency program. We don't need to make it even more cost prohibitive by getting people to run purple crack that will last 2 events if they drive to and from the track in their vehicles. That's 4 sets of tires if you want to run the season, or you pick up a truck and trailer. Both of those would increase the barrier to entry (play) significantly and lower turn out, and you wonder why some NASA classes are ghost town events... For the amateur events here, 2 sets of tires a season is competitive.

It's all in good fun with a bit of dick swinging here and there. We don't need to start swinging our pockets and checkbooks around too. Most everyone doing this has a normal day job.

Chibo

NASA is more empty in my area because people either don't want to build cars to a more restrictive classing rulebook or don't want to have safety rules / equipment enforced. They've added a time attack group recently that classes based on HP/weight with a 100TW lower bound, which seems to be attracting a lot more people than the restrictive TT classing.

Also, you Cali guys have the Maxxis S2K Challenge for tire money. I'd run every event, but I don't want to budget for the distance further than Chuckwalla as it pretty much necessitates trailering.