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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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I think modification points should be used to handicap drivers inside their class as well. Right now they're just used to separate the classes...but the difference between someone in production w/ 100pts and someone w/ 199pts can be a big difference in the car's ability.

As it says in the classification docs, the points per mod reflect price, not performance. Creating a performance ranking on the various types of parts and using that to handicap the points won in each event would make things more competitive and would be more of a comparison of a driver's ability to maximize the use of their setup rather than a laptime comparison based on money spent.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 10:48 AM
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thats the purpose of the 200 pt limit keep the costs down. I think handicaps are too complicated to be fair.

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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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i understand that the current point system is to keep the cost down. My point is that a performance classing system as a subset of the cost classification would make the events more competitive in terms of winning event points.

too complicated? it seems straightforward to me. hoosiers and spec tires are obviously going to give more gains than a swaybar...coilovers more than a flywheel, etc. just takes a little bit of thought like the cost classification did and things would be just as subject to change, like the decision to bump up hoosiers another 25pts on the cost classing.

I just think that if someone like mike schuster can come out with just some R-compound tires on his car and does a 2:13, while racer X w/ hoosiers, coilovers, and a wing does a 2:12 mike should get more credit than racer X.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 11:06 AM
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it would also motivate ppl to do more with spending less...reducing costs of competition even more.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 01:17 PM
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What you're basically suggesting is creating more classes....
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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no, i'm not. I'm saying have the modification points weigh on how many points are assigned to 1st,2nd,3rd,4th etc times in each class. Is that clear enough now?
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 02:50 PM
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could do away with classing completely and just use the modifications points to weigh down the laptimes when determining winners' points for each day.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 02:52 PM
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Errr...that's a yucky PAX-like system. It's your series, but I sure wouldn't want that in mine...
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 08:30 PM
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My impression's always been that the points value already reflects both the performance benefit and cost of the mod. dt went out of his way to capture both in assigning points.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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josh,

I also think it would be too weird to have times show up and then to have everyone have to go and adjust for handicaps, no one would know what was going on. It's much more fun to just see who won. I sort of agree with John that this would effectively create more classes. But mostly it would be too complicated, and I'm not a flat-taxer either.

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