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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 12:33 AM
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Hi guys,

a few days back I have installed the Neuspeed sway bars front and rear, being 1.5'' lower and on stock tires, my car started to show some understeer.
1.Should I just put the stock rear sway bar back in place or will my new 17" rims with 225 front and 255 rear solve the problem? I am running H&R coil overs and the springs are too soft.
2.What springs are best for track use and what will fit H&R coils?
3.Regarding camber plates, will they fit any coil over, clear Spoon strut bar front and where can I get them?

Any feedback appreciated,

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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 10:48 AM
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Do a search....

This has been answered countless times.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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Camber plates are used on cars with strut-type suspensions to add the ability to adjust static camber. S2000s don't have struts. We have double wishbones at all 4 corners.

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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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Andrew thanx for the info, I am really new to the suspension tuning stuff. So how can I get a negative camber like you can see on the japanese racing s2ks????
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MadDane,Oct 17 2004, 10:48 PM
Do a search....

This has been answered countless times.
the search is worse than google, it will find anything but not what you are looking for. Type Amuse ECU for example and see what you will get...amuse front lip for sale on 20 pages...the time you have wasted to be clever could help me in a better way, thanx anyway
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jakub2000,Oct 17 2004, 11:06 PM
.the time you have wasted to be clever could help me in a better way, thanx anyway
The time you've wasted with stupid questions could have been put to better use by everyone on the board.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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jakub2000, I understand your frustration with the search engine. Just remember, not everyone around here is rude...
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jakub2000,Oct 18 2004, 01:02 AM
Andrew thanx for the info, I am really new to the suspension tuning stuff. So how can I get a negative camber like you can see on the japanese racing s2ks????
The S2000's stock suspension is fully adjustable for toe, camber, and caster. You can get a lot of negative camber with the factory alignment adjustments. And you can probably address most of the understeer issues that you described with a good alignment as well.

Camber of at least -1.6 deg front and at least -1.9 deg rear is achievable with the factory adjustments. If you try to push negative camber much beyond that for the street, you can run into decreased straight-line stability; and there are rapidly diminishing returns on handling improvement. Minimal toe-in in the rear will reduce your understeer tendancy. See the AutoX FAQ for recommended settings for a performance-oriented alignment.

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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 05:21 PM
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Yes the search engine for this site blows. The BB software for this forum is behind on the search engine, so don't feel bad about saying it.

With that said, your question is way to broad, sounds like you made the classic mistake, of not knowing much about what does what on suspension, and then making some major changes without knowing why.

I can only assume it was for looks. I am totally against that however I will say.

If you dropped it, chances are you have even more static negative camber that you did to start. I have only seen maybe 1 in 20 stock S2000s actually not having negative camber in the front and rear during an alignment.

Getting an alignment will get you where you need to be. If you don't race the car, keep it is factory specs, it will keep your life simple.

If you have H&R coilover find a shop that will do a competition alignment.

Also called corner weighing and alignment.
They will get your cross weight of the car as close to 50/50 as possible, back to front side to side. After that they will do an alignment.

this is from an older article I wrote, which did not cover getting the cars weight from left to right balanced. It focused more on front to back. They are equally as important.

Anyone else who wants to add to it please do.
This is for your info.


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Corner weighing
Corner weighing is simple and is a term many people should know-
Corner weighing is putting a vehicle on scales like this

all four wheels are placed on these scales on the display there is a read out of the weight of each corner of the car, for example the cars weight for a FWD vehicle may look like this-


This is a great diagram to understand what corner weighing is.
As you can see the weight distribution as with all front engine front drive cars is more weight in the front.
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Old Oct 27, 2004 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Oct 18 2004, 08:23 PM
jakub2000, I understand your frustration with the search engine. Just remember, not everyone around here is rude...
he is not rude, he is just retarded and is trying to play difficult on everyone. I have not seen any tread where he is not having this type of "clever" answers.
As my father told me, sometimes it's best not to say anything...someones father was busy doin' something else
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