Tall Man - Safety Compromise - Seats & Roll Bar
I've read all the threads on the subject multiple times and can't find quite what I'm looking for, so I'm hoping you guys can help out.
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put the stock seat back in and leave it alone
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Originally Posted by s2000ellier
(Post 24601764)
put the stock seat back in and leave it alone
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I'm the same height and weight as you are and I see just fine out of a stock s2000 so I'm not sure I get where you are coming from. The OEM safety stuff is designed around the belt, seat, and airbag. Most people will tell you leave the set or change the set. So either put the stock seat back in or remove/disable the airbag, install a rollbar with a harness bar, install a 6 point harness, and wear a HANs device for a SA2015 or newer helmet. But then you are diminishing your street safety which if you are driving it a lot on the street I think you are more likely to be in an accident there vs on track.
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The seat manufacturers have dimensions on their websites. If a dimension is posted, you can call or write to them. They are trying to sell seats.
There are several threads on how to mount the seat lower. You really want the rollbar higher than your head. There seem to be three off-the-shelf rollbars: Ballade, HardDog, and Rockstar. There are threads, some recent. And you can call them. Any rollbar that has a correct harness bar, supports OEM shoulder belts, and is triangulated will require some cutting and fitting of interior panels and removal of the OEM roll hoops. Remember, at track speeds a relatively minor accident can total the chassis. That accident doesn't have to be an error you made. It can be a component failure on your car or someone else's car, or an error by another driver, or even an error by track officials. Remember low speed on the track would be considered a high-speed street accident. |
Originally Posted by s2000ellier
(Post 24601858)
I'm the same height and weight as you are and I see just fine out of a stock s2000 so I'm not sure I get where you are coming from. The OEM safety stuff is designed around the belt, seat, and airbag. Most people will tell you leave the set or change the set. So either put the stock seat back in or remove/disable the airbag, install a rollbar with a harness bar, install a 6 point harness, and wear a HANs device for a SA2015 or newer helmet. But then you are diminishing your street safety which if you are driving it a lot on the street I think you are more likely to be in an accident there vs on track.
FWIW I also doubt there's significant difference in terms of safety to running a racing seat (properly installed with a properly fitting stock belt) on the street compared to the stock seat. The main added risk in street driving would come from the roll bar, but you definitely want that if you're going to track. OP, I don't think one of the high harness bars is going to work, regardless of your height. In order to be under the roll bar you're going to need a hard mounted seat, as low as you can get it, and so hopefully your shoulders will end up lining up with the standard harness bar location. If they were high enough for the high ones, your head would definitely be over the roll bar. |
Originally Posted by Nate Tempest
(Post 24601927)
I disagree. I would say you're much more likely to get into a serious accident on the track than on the street, at 4 HPDEs per summer and a bunch of street driving. Serious meaning an accident where these differences would matter. So in my opinion to maximize safety you would go with seats, harnesses+hans, and roll bar, but also retain the stock belts for use on the street, making sure to set them up so that they fit correctly. IE not over a high side bolster, and if passing through a belt harness hole, then not zig-zagging on the way there, as some setups using extenders do. Would probably make sense to retain the stock steering wheel and air bag. (Air bag won't make a difference on the track when you're wearing harness and hans, but would be good with the oem belt on the street. Stock wheel makes rapid egress more difficult, especially with a high-bolstered seat, but imo the tradeoff is worth it if you're doing a lot of street driving.)
FWIW I also doubt there's significant difference in terms of safety to running a racing seat (properly installed with a properly fitting stock belt) on the street compared to the stock seat. The main added risk in street driving would come from the roll bar, but you definitely want that if you're going to track. OP, I don't think one of the high harness bars is going to work, regardless of your height. In order to be under the roll bar you're going to need a hard mounted seat, as low as you can get it, and so hopefully your shoulders will end up lining up with the standard harness bar location. If they were high enough for the high ones, your head would definitely be over the roll bar. |
Originally Posted by ottawas2000guy
(Post 24601755)
I've read all the threads on the subject multiple times and can't find quite what I'm looking for, so I'm hoping you guys can help out.
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Q2: I`m 6'-1" 210lb and had a hard time finding a seat. Ultimately I picked up an OMP-ARS. The shoulder straps properly pass through the openings and land on my shoulders, without touching the seat, but it's close. It was tough to fit them in the car and I lost access to the center console. I recently sat in a Sparco QRT and found it to have similar shoulder holes and I think it's skinnier in width, so it might preserve access to the center console. It was also more comfortable. I also liked the Sparco Evo2. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a sparco dealer in the North East so I didn't realize I liked the Sparcos until it was too late. I found the Cobra brand seats rolled my shoulders forward too much. Ultimately, I think its important to find seats and sit in them before you buy them. If you don't have a local motorsports shop, spend some time at your next track day asking everybody to sit in their seats. As you`re already aware, check for comfort and for the location of the shoulder holes. Q3: At 6'-1" I don't love the angles of my shoulder belts to the lowered harness bars and my seat is as low as it could possibly be/scraping on the floor pan. I`m not sure how much higher the alternate bar location is, but it's worth reaching out to hard dog to ask them about it. I`m thinking about reaching out to a rollcage shop to have my bar relocated up. |
Originally Posted by DavidNJ
(Post 24601883)
The seat manufacturers have dimensions on their websites. If a dimension is posted, you can call or write to them. They are trying to sell seats.
There are several threads on how to mount the seat lower. You really want the rollbar higher than your head. There seem to be three off-the-shelf rollbars: Ballade, HardDog, and Rockstar. There are threads, some recent. And you can call them. Any rollbar that has a correct harness bar, supports OEM shoulder belts, and is triangulated will require some cutting and fitting of interior panels and removal of the OEM roll hoops. Remember, at track speeds a relatively minor accident can total the chassis. That accident doesn't have to be an error you made. It can be a component failure on your car or someone else's car, or an error by another driver, or even an error by track officials. Remember low speed on the track would be considered a high-speed street accident. |
Originally Posted by Nate Tempest
(Post 24601927)
I disagree. I would say you're much more likely to get into a serious accident on the track than on the street, at 4 HPDEs per summer and a bunch of street driving. Serious meaning an accident where these differences would matter. So in my opinion to maximize safety you would go with seats, harnesses+hans, and roll bar, but also retain the stock belts for use on the street, making sure to set them up so that they fit correctly. IE not over a high side bolster, and if passing through a belt harness hole, then not zig-zagging on the way there, as some setups using extenders do. Would probably make sense to retain the stock steering wheel and air bag. (Air bag won't make a difference on the track when you're wearing harness and hans, but would be good with the oem belt on the street. Stock wheel makes rapid egress more difficult, especially with a high-bolstered seat, but imo the tradeoff is worth it if you're doing a lot of street driving.)
FWIW I also doubt there's significant difference in terms of safety to running a racing seat (properly installed with a properly fitting stock belt) on the street compared to the stock seat. The main added risk in street driving would come from the roll bar, but you definitely want that if you're going to track. OP, I don't think one of the high harness bars is going to work, regardless of your height. In order to be under the roll bar you're going to need a hard mounted seat, as low as you can get it, and so hopefully your shoulders will end up lining up with the standard harness bar location. If they were high enough for the high ones, your head would definitely be over the roll bar. Thanks for your comment re: high harness bar. It did appear in photos that it might end up too high even with the right seat for me. Any tips on seats that fit with high harness holes? |
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