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Track day tires—faster and/or better wearing than RE-71R

 
Old 01-20-2019, 07:48 PM
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Cant speak for AX but on track the A052 delivers. I have always run re71 i have switched to A052. the tire is very different. when on the edge, so still feels in control. I cant really explain it. The re71 at the limit will kinda just give out when over it. but the a052 slides under control. So pretty much the falling of point of the a052 is much smoother. It does wear much better. especially the center rib which in my evo i always detroy on the re71. the a052 is much more well rounded IMO

i dont mess with any other tire. im out there for outright speed.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:08 AM
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I've driven the Trofeo R and some ancient Hankook TD semi-slicks in Hard compound (currently on the TDs, which are like a billion years old at this point).

The Trofeo R is R-comp fast and still retains normal (for performance tires) driveability, so it isn't super loud or uncomfortable, and it offers some rain traction. It is a very soft compound and will grip immediately, but fall off after a few laps in hot weather. It also heat-cycles out after a few days and gets pretty hard, but it will be starting to wear out by then anyway. If your only use is track days, I think this tire is too expensive and isn't much faster than other R-comps. But if you require normal street manners from your track day tire, it is a good option, and that's why you see it spec'd on factory cars like McLaren and Acura. You are paying extra for that ability to be every tire for every situation.

The TD is perhaps a smidge slower in max grip than the Trofeo R, but it can maintain that grip for a full session, wears like iron, and maintains grip over a lot of heat cycles. I have like 5-6 days on mine, plus highway miles, and I'm still settings PBs on them even though they are so old. But they are deafeningly loud, ride very harsh, and have zero wet grip, so they are a one-trick pony. Perfect for a track car that is driven to the track. I wish they still made them!

My next set of tires will be either Toyo RR or Federal FZ-201. The Miata guys say the RR grips till the cords, though I'm sure it is fastest at first, like all tires. The FZ-201 has very little info out there, but it is so cheap I wouldn't risk much by trying it. The A052s look interesting but are pretty pricey.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xBoostx View Post
Cant speak for AX but on track the A052 delivers. I have always run re71 i have switched to A052. the tire is very different. when on the edge, so still feels in control. I cant really explain it. The re71 at the limit will kinda just give out when over it. but the a052 slides under control. So pretty much the falling of point of the a052 is much smoother. It does wear much better. especially the center rib which in my evo i always detroy on the re71. the a052 is much more well rounded IMO

i dont mess with any other tire. im out there for outright speed.
All this hype about the AO52 makes me want to get them lol, once my RS4s eventually wear after 5 years .... lol

Do the AO52 handle poorly in the rain though? There doesn't seem to be much thread lines in the tire.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain View Post
I've driven the Trofeo R and some ancient Hankook TD semi-slicks in Hard compound (currently on the TDs, which are like a billion years old at this point).

The Trofeo R is R-comp fast and still retains normal (for performance tires) driveability, so it isn't super loud or uncomfortable, and it offers some rain traction. It is a very soft compound and will grip immediately, but fall off after a few laps in hot weather. It also heat-cycles out after a few days and gets pretty hard, but it will be starting to wear out by then anyway. If your only use is track days, I think this tire is too expensive and isn't much faster than other R-comps. But if you require normal street manners from your track day tire, it is a good option, and that's why you see it spec'd on factory cars like McLaren and Acura. You are paying extra for that ability to be every tire for every situation.

The TD is perhaps a smidge slower in max grip than the Trofeo R, but it can maintain that grip for a full session, wears like iron, and maintains grip over a lot of heat cycles. I have like 5-6 days on mine, plus highway miles, and I'm still settings PBs on them even though they are so old. But they are deafeningly loud, ride very harsh, and have zero wet grip, so they are a one-trick pony. Perfect for a track car that is driven to the track. I wish they still made them!

My next set of tires will be either Toyo RR or Federal FZ-201. The Miata guys say the RR grips till the cords, though I'm sure it is fastest at first, like all tires. The FZ-201 has very little info out there, but it is so cheap I wouldn't risk much by trying it. The A052s look interesting but are pretty pricey.
Are you talking about the Hankook TD C30s? If so, I found my with 2013 production date to be trash. I know of others that had good luck with them, but they were trash for me. It may have just been the tires I got that were trash.

I don't consider myself to be fast but I found them to be hard, no grip in the wet, and min grip in the dry. I stopped using them after 3 weekends. I felt I wasted track fees driving on these tires, but good learning experience on how to drive on tires you don't trust. I will never buy ancient production date tires again.
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Originally Posted by usafstud View Post
Are you talking about the Hankook TD C30s? If so, I found my with 2013 production date to be trash. I know of others that had good luck with them, but they were trash for me. It may have just been the tires I got that were trash.

I don't consider myself to be fast but I found them to be hard, no grip in the wet, and min grip in the dry. I stopped using them after 3 weekends. I felt I wasted track fees driving on these tires, but good learning experience on how to drive on tires you don't trust. I will never buy ancient production date tires again.
Yeah mine are 2013 production date, they are ancient. Still work well, though I'm sure there are faster tires these days. Perhaps my set was better stored than yours? I went straight from the Trofeo R and found the old TD to perform very favorably. They do need heat though, you can't just go 10/10 on the out lap. I have been tending to set my best times 10+ laps into a session on the TDs. The harder you drive them, the more they grip.
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any of you guys got any input on the new dunlop Z3? Thank you anoerexic poodle for your input! I try to search as much of your content
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