evo vs s2k
 

ok so this guy in a evo 8 wants to race me.but i didt have my car tonight so i might race him next time.but i would like to ask u guys do u think i have a chance.evo mods intake,turbo back exhaust.i have 06 s2k with a test pipe,exhaust,intake and have hondata gasket on the way.so do i have a chance or will i get my killed. :thinker:

Running from a dig or roll?
He will pull you right away either race. You might catch him top end.
Take a vid and post it up.

running from a roll im not a big top end guy though

evo's are great cars. I dont think you will beat him but you wont lose bad.
Im guessing he will pull you by 2 cars.

On a highway you will absolutely take him. My friend and I both have beaten modded evo's on the highway.

And we're both N/A...btw

he's kinda not...

3...2...1... untill flaming begins

be careful... you know what happened last time ppl compared an evo to an s2k

oh and for the record, no you won't beat him. prolly if the evo screws up hella bad. that turbo will kill you. i quote one of the sigs from the evo forums "ah vtec, all the lag but without the turbo... its like waiting for bad sex" lmao... but this is all IMO, dont flame me. i own an s2k myself, and i already tried and tried... still couldnt find a way to beat my friends evo... hahahaha

o yea... whoever said that the evo is N/A he's kinda not...

lol i dont think anybody said evos N/A. from other s2k memebers they said they have taken evo 8s from rolls in street encounter section

while on the subject, who would win? a geared s2k or slk55?

I have a friend with the same mods on his evo. I have an AP1 or 2.0 9000RPM S2000 for those who don't know. Anyway he has a 2004 Evo 8. From a 2nd gear VTEC roll you will put about 1 car on him by the end of the race. You have to be in Vtec on the 2nd gear roll and do not miss a shift or grind, Also make sure you shift as fast as you can! I have raced three Evos from a roll and I raced one from a dig on the race track and I creamed the one on the track. He Ran a 14.2 and I ran a 13.83 with a 7000RPM launch. Good luck!

SLK 55 will beat a geared S2000. It should be close in 1st because he will spin but after he changes into second gear he is gone.

how bout a SC, geared s2k? hehe

you might be able to take him if his car is full of fat people. ONly time i raced an evo is when my buddy had him, his wife, and 2 of out big friends in the back. I would say he has probally 850 to 900 pounds in the car, and i beat him in his evo 9 mr. ONe could argue that i was alone and he had all that weight in the car, but hey he will still admit i beat him so hey just go find yourself an evo with a couple fattys in the back seat and you are good.

-Ian

14.2 in an Evo? wow

if the guy can't drive u might have a chance...keep in mind it's much easier to shift faster in the s2000 (at least for me, my IX's throws are very long compared to the s2000, but what isn't haha)

good luck, run him and report back :)

oh and tell ur friend to get a tune with those mods...

[QUOTE=JayStyles662,Dec 30 2006, 05:48 AM] I have a friend with the same mods on his evo. I have an AP1 or 2.0 9000RPM S2000 for those who don't know. Anyway he has a 2004 Evo 8. From a 2nd gear VTEC roll you will put about 1 car on him by the end of the race. You have to be in Vtec on the 2nd gear roll and do not miss a shift or grind, Also make sure you shift as fast as you can! I have raced three Evos from a roll and I raced one from a dig on the race track and I creamed the one on the track. [B]He Ran a 14.2 and

I didn't say Evo's were N/A...read my post again. I said my friend and I have both taken modded Evo's on the highway, and WE are both N/A. Meaning our S2K's are N/A.

And on a street, as long as the driver is decent, an Evo would clearly beat an S2K...that's why I wouldn't even try to be honest...but on a highway it's different sometimes.

Please tell me you've removed your clutch delay valve.

You're going to get killed most likely.

Maybe from a 60-120mph run you could hang on. Any time you can eliminate the sub-VTEC zone, you'll do better.

And the SLK55amg runs 0-60 in 4.5 with a quarter mile in 12.8 at 109.2.

A boosted and geared Comptech SC would do similarly from above VTEC roll (where a boosted SC has most of its hp. With a 7# pulley (mildly increased boost), the geared and SC S2k traps at around 109.

Overall it's a little slower 0-60 and in the quarter overall, but that's due to the sub-VTEC Honda Civic-level hp during those rpms.

The peaky hp curve makes me wish for a roots blower. There are a few times when I pine for a turbo....

With the Evo having the turboback exhaust, I think that is the biggest factor in the race with your mods. I played around with an old friends Evo 8 a while back when I had I/E, VAFC, and a clutch kit in my AP1. He had a a few bolt-ons..intake/turboback/MBC set at 22psi, and it was a pretty dam good run. When he was stock, my S with the same mods would pull pretty steadily on him from a roll. Once he got his mods it was much more competive...In 2nd he would get a small advantage right away and pull maybe a 1/2 a car right off the jump, but by the end of 2nd I would stop his initial pull. Into 3rd and I would be slowly creaping back up on him pulling about even by the end of 3rd. Into 4th I would just keep on inching by him and end up pulling about a full car length near the end of 4th gear. I think it would be close, with maybe him having a slight advantage. But anything can happen on the sreets, especially if you know how to whip your ride! Let us know how it ends up..


Here's my run with that evo..

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/924b534...8a8001c0e00.htm

clutch delay valve.never heard of taking it off.let me no about it

For the N/A S2K guys who have beat mildly modded EVO's on a highway roll, I know of two local stock turbo EVO's, moderately modded
that would be down to run you. If you are in the NY/NJ area, PM me and I'll get it set-up

Where are all the SC s2k around so cali? I want to have some fun, gear S2k is boring to me =T....

I'm down...the one I beat was a 2004 white EVO 8 with turboback exhaust. I pulled on to the highway in 3rd and he passed me...I caught up to him and we were maybe at about 45mph even when we slowed down. I heard him downshift, I down shifted into third and you better bet he had me at first...but once we hit about 110 I had about a car length on him. I have to ask him what his name is on the forums.

What part of Jersey are you from? Cuz I have one guy from South Jersey and one guy near north/central jersey.... we can discuss this thru PM.....

Humorous............ :rolleyes:

someone run birdie :)

Random, but do you have a cousin name phong?

You have absolutely no chance no matter where you race from.

nope, does he have another name? like an american name?

brain? He has the white 06 sti

haha yeah brian he is my cousin alright.

Nice, ahahah yea I went to school with him, ask him about his friend that has the 05 STi and switched to an s2k, he will tell you all about me HAHAH :) :thumbup:

why would you go from STI to s2k?

didn't like the sti anymore?

bugeye for 2 years, STi for 1... I just needed to get back into a honda. :thumbup:

Wow.....Hahaha....take away the 14+ lbs of boost on the evo...what kind of chance does the s2k have then??....:LOL:

Good point! :rolleyes:

hahaha...take away vtec for the f20c what chance does the evo have then? :D

After I supercharged my car I raced an 06 STI and an 06 Evo. The STI had a down pipe and intake, the evo had a test pipe, cat back exhaust and an intake. I beat both, but the Evo was fairly close. A stock S2K would stand no chance.

Don't forget to lower it's compression ratio to 8.8:1 also.

Ok...How about we add about.....7 or 8 lbs of boost to the S2k (just to make it a "boosted vs boosted" battle)..What type of chance does the S2k have then? :LOL:

VTEC is not a form of FI. I was just saying if they both were NA it would be like the S2k racing a base model civic. :LOL: With all things being equal (boosted s2k vs boosted evo) the S2k is better. IMHO. Comparing boosted vs NA cars is an "apples to oranges" comparison. Oh...and dont get me wrong...the EVO is a great car for the money :thumbup: But think about this for a second.....people are comparing a race between two engines of the same displacement, one with boost, the other NA. I would hope the boosted car would have the advantage and would win. But for some reason....the EVO's, STI's and SRT-4s all think its something to beat the S. Just another reason why the S2k is such an over-achiever...IMHO. Even with the boost the S is a worthy opponent! All hail :bow: f20C (and f22c) the great!

[QUOTE=LilRedMachine,Jan 2 2007, 02:30 PM]Ok...How about we add about.....7 or 8 lbs of boost to the S2k (just to make it a "boosted vs boosted" battle)..What type of chance does the S2k have then?

You're forgetting that because the S2k was built as an n/a car first it has a higher compression ratio which is only useful for those first impressive gains at a measly 7psi. Keep boosted v. boosted but also put the same $ into both and the Evo will still come out ahead.

The s2k wont need 22lbs to beat a stock evo. 6lbs should be enough. :LOL: Man....:LOL: I said boost it...not put a piston in orbit :eek3: :LOL:

Funny thing is you attempt to make it fair by going boosted v. boosted, yet you do it by changing it to modded v. stock. A bolt-on Evo IX is 320+awhp. Could you imagine what happens when you take the $5k that's in the S2k and put it in the Evo?

Uhhhh...Hmmm...Uhhhh... you start wishing you bought an s2k? :banana: :LOL: Just messing with you. It all depends on what you like.

Supercharged s2000's = the lame. 5 grand for a paxton/vortech blower for a 13.4? Thats still slower then a stock evo. Have some respect for yourselves and keep the drivetrain stock. Your cars werent made to go fast in a stright line and it takes WAY to much money to make them do that.

There's always one extreme and another. I'm man enough to admit that in terms of modding I'd be better off going with one of the other two cars in my garage, but to say that a boosted S2k only runs .3 seconds faster than the best stock times is just ignorant.

Your brain wasn't made to think logically, and it probably takes WAY too much effort to make it do that.

That my freind is a VERY ignorant statement!!!First of all the supercharger kits do not sell for 5 grand,i got mine for $3700 polished :D Secondly they go faster than 13.4.I personally made one pass without a launch and turned a 13.1 @ 109,and my short time was only a 2.2.A high 12 is just a launch away.I would love to run a mildly modded mitsu or sti.Perhaps ill have my chance but im not going to pm people to set up a race.And finally youre on a s2k forum so try and keep youre bashing to youre self or to other forums!

Hater!!! :wedgie:

hater? more like idiot.

where you from? I haven't run a SC s2k yet and I would love to for fun.

Maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth and make an ass out of your self...

Im sure a few of these would classify as respectable...

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...f=142&t=413057

QUOTE (cheesefries @ Jan 3 2007, 03:29 AM)
Supercharged s2000's = the lame. 5 grand for a paxton/vortech blower for a 13.4? Thats still slower then a stock evo. Have some respect for yourselves and keep the drivetrain stock. Your cars werent made to go fast in a stright line and it takes WAY to much money to make them do that.

^^^^^^^^

I saw this quote somewhere else just today. i guess my 13.5 NA s2k is some kinda freak!!!!!!

Im sorry but i believe im on the other side of the continent ie the north east.Im really not into setting up races as i like spur of the moment runs.Im sure ill have my chance to run a modded one of the two.I have however driven a mostly stock evo and it was an impressive machine......However it would not stand a chance on the highway against my vortech s2k.

Comptech/Vortech used the centrifugal type charger to match the characteristics of the s2k(which they did VERY well). There are a few companies that are working on twin-screw/roots type chargers (Jackson Racing) to give the s2k some low end punch to an already crazy top end. Those kits should quiet the critics (and keep the EVO's at bay!!!) :stick:

the s2000 and Evo came a certain way from the factory....if you want to FI the s2000 it'd run you at least $3,700, and dump that into an Evo and you'd have almost 400whp on pump, and more on race gas.

this is deja vu, as i've just had this discussion with another gentleman from another thread on here about this :D

it's like saying the c6 is an impressive machine against the Evo, but take away 4 cylinders and 4 extra liters of displacement and see how the Evo fares....

supra TT is a great car, but the n/a is slow as balls, thus a 350z is better than a supra TT since it's also 6 cylinders but it's quicker than a non-turbo Supra...

FI is not some magical formula that's difficult to manufacture; it's just as specific as the f20c's high compression, 9000 rpm redline, etc

btw i have a IX and s2000 :hello: so i love the s2000, dont group me with someone like 'cheesefries' as he's a disgrace to all car enthusiasts.

and i've raced my stock s2000 against a stock vortech one, damn thing was pretty quick :D however my IX with tbe, mbc, and tune ($1,000) will be able to keep up/beat the stock vortech (at least $3,7xx?)....

Good point fusionchicken. I want to see how I do with against a tune s2k with vortech and all bolts on + gears.

You = the lame! :LOL: Though S2000 is not a monster in a "stright" line, it's not slow by any means and can keep up with some more powerful cars, e.g. 350Z, last-gen Mustang GT, etc. Also, remember that S2000 has been out for 7 years without any major power upgrade. When it first came out, it kicked Boxster S in the rear, but other things have evolved and it hasn't.

hey fusionchickenleg... arent you on the evo forums?

Fusionchickenleg,good point.The fact of the matter is that the s2k is naturally aspirated and to jump into the world of forced induction isnt cheap.The evo is one hell of a bang for the buck theres no denying it.However almost any turbocharged car is fairly cheap to modify,some more than others.My race car has 425 whp and it only cost me $5500.I still have more room for improvement without spending a single dime.Its all relative.

There are a few of us trolls here are from the EVO forums originally

AWSOME POST!!!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :confused: :confused: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

sorry cheesefries for my quick judgment of you, just that one post of you stirred up some crap that some of us Evo drivers have to fix, since i'm all for peace and love :D

and yea Shotiable i'm from the Evo forums.....but i also have an ap1 in the garage :) love the s2000....speed isn't everything and the s2000 with its unique driving experience taught me that :) puts a smile on my face everytime i drive it...

and Joes Sled i agree that the s2000 being a 2.0 n/a is being compared to other FI engine is very impressive. however as long as we're talking about relativity, it's not always about power, it's also about weight, aero (coefficient of drag), gearings, etc....its why the k20 in the dc5's with i/e/rh/flash can keep up/beat stock s2000/Evo on the highway...the s2000 is about 3-400 lbs lighter than the Evo, has better Cd with the top up, etc...everything has an explanation.

every car has its own strenghts and weaknesses, and it's always the people that are trying to put one car as the absolute superior to another that gets me depressed :( we should all just apreciate all cars that are good at what they were designed to be good at.

+10000000000000000

I was obsessed with 1/4 mile times and horsepower before driving the S2k. I promptly bought one.

:confused: cheesefries and fusionchickenleg, this feels weird. It's like food is arguing over the internet. :confused:

:D

Leave the roll and highway racing for the heavy v8's to frieght train through traffic like morons. Us 4 cylinders should be racing through the twisties, tracks, etc.