3rd gear
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3rd gear
i was driving home from work today and i took the turn kinda hard and the back end slid out but i counter steered and recovered in 3rd. but it seemed to slip out very easy . and then it didnt. but then i tryed it again and it didnt slip out till the rpm got higher. should i be concerned? and whats haping to it.
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I'm guessing you mean a sharp right hand or left hand turn from one street to another and that this is your first rear wheel drive vehicle? I am not trying to be a smart ass. Just trying to establish the scenario. We need more info. Were you on the gas when you turned? Was there water, oil or loose gravel on the road? How sharply did you turn and at what speed? Did you down shift before the turn or in the middle? Were you getting into the vtec zone during the turn?
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If it was just a dry normal road you probably did one or two of the following three things:
1) Took the turn too fast.
2) Too much gas, too early in the turn.
3) Lifted off the gas or braked in mid-turn.
You have to balance the gas pedal properly or you'll slide out. Note that performance tires have less grip when they are cold. Note that for this car you have more torque above 6000 RPM, "in VTEC", so you have to be more careful with the gas pedal.
1) Took the turn too fast.
2) Too much gas, too early in the turn.
3) Lifted off the gas or braked in mid-turn.
You have to balance the gas pedal properly or you'll slide out. Note that performance tires have less grip when they are cold. Note that for this car you have more torque above 6000 RPM, "in VTEC", so you have to be more careful with the gas pedal.
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The first thing you have to keep in mind ALWAYS is that our car is rear wheel drive. This means that when you are going around any corner the car is being pushed instead of pulled by the drive wheels. The combination of our cars light rear end, tight suspension, direct steering and sticky oem tires, can install over- confidence in any drivers ability to take a corner at speed, at least until he/she realizes what a gift from god rear wheel drive is!
If you enter a sharp curve or corner at a reasonable speed -after downshifting or braking- you will find with experience that you can get on the gas in a relatively smooth fashion and actually feel the point of when the rear tires are on the edge of braking loose. Once your ass is able to detect and understand this sensation and can transmit the proper info to your brain, you can now begin controlling the rear end of your car with the gas pedal and you will amaze yourself at what your car and you can do.
This experience, should you ever be fortunate enough to understand and manage it, (by the way, I have found through the years that most people can not) will forever turn you off "sporty" front wheel drive vehicles.
It is important that you also understand weight transfer and how the driver by gentle imput can greatly influence the balance of his vehicle. For example: you live in an area where there is snow on your roads occasionally. When you go from dry pavement onto a snow covered stretch of road, at highway speed, you do not slam on your brakes to reduce your speed to a safer level because you know instinctively (hopefully!), that the transfer of weight to the front wheels can cause the balance of the car to be upset and therefore a loss of steering contol. Instead you ease off the gas until you reach a speed you feel comfortable with, then ease back onto the pedal, with minimal or no change in steering direction. It is the same thing when you are taking that favorite corner or curve at a high rate of speed. You have to realize that you are the single most important factor in maintaining balance and control of your car. Not the tires, not the conditions, not the suspension. You. You need to go out and practice in a snow covered parking lot. Put your car away for a few months!
"By the way, I hope some of you auto cross drivers can imput here as I have read way too many threads about the rear braking loose on our S's and, IMO, the biggest reason is the number of drivers who are coming to our cars with only fwd experience. Rear wheel drive vehicles offer a much more rewarding driving experience when it is understood better. Perhaps we should give all these first time rear wheel drivers a sport bike to learn on!"
If you enter a sharp curve or corner at a reasonable speed -after downshifting or braking- you will find with experience that you can get on the gas in a relatively smooth fashion and actually feel the point of when the rear tires are on the edge of braking loose. Once your ass is able to detect and understand this sensation and can transmit the proper info to your brain, you can now begin controlling the rear end of your car with the gas pedal and you will amaze yourself at what your car and you can do.
This experience, should you ever be fortunate enough to understand and manage it, (by the way, I have found through the years that most people can not) will forever turn you off "sporty" front wheel drive vehicles.
It is important that you also understand weight transfer and how the driver by gentle imput can greatly influence the balance of his vehicle. For example: you live in an area where there is snow on your roads occasionally. When you go from dry pavement onto a snow covered stretch of road, at highway speed, you do not slam on your brakes to reduce your speed to a safer level because you know instinctively (hopefully!), that the transfer of weight to the front wheels can cause the balance of the car to be upset and therefore a loss of steering contol. Instead you ease off the gas until you reach a speed you feel comfortable with, then ease back onto the pedal, with minimal or no change in steering direction. It is the same thing when you are taking that favorite corner or curve at a high rate of speed. You have to realize that you are the single most important factor in maintaining balance and control of your car. Not the tires, not the conditions, not the suspension. You. You need to go out and practice in a snow covered parking lot. Put your car away for a few months!
"By the way, I hope some of you auto cross drivers can imput here as I have read way too many threads about the rear braking loose on our S's and, IMO, the biggest reason is the number of drivers who are coming to our cars with only fwd experience. Rear wheel drive vehicles offer a much more rewarding driving experience when it is understood better. Perhaps we should give all these first time rear wheel drivers a sport bike to learn on!"
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All that typing for nothing! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Push it farther into gear!
If that doesn't help, check out the tsb's on the transmission. If I remember correctly, there was one on 2nd gear popping out on the 00 and 01's. I never heard of 3rd having the same problem. Best of luck!
Push it farther into gear!
If that doesn't help, check out the tsb's on the transmission. If I remember correctly, there was one on 2nd gear popping out on the 00 and 01's. I never heard of 3rd having the same problem. Best of luck!
