Amer

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the S2200 being a 2.2 with barely any tq increase and no hp increase with only some improvement in the powerband but Feels offers a 2.3 L stroker kit which adds around 40 hp (not sure on this figure) but the point is it increases hp and tq so why didn't honda do it with the 2.2? Please post your thoughts and no flaming, I don't make war but love

ruexp67

Insurance.

Wait untill someone dyno's an '04 and see what the real HP is.

Amer

It still makes the same hp.

turbo_pwr

I'm not positive I understand your question. But I'll take a shot at it. The reason why Honda's stroked out engine doesn't make as much hp as the Feel's kit probably has more to do with tuning and drivability. The Feel's kit is nearly $5000 USD without installation, downtime, and tuning. You need a different Engine Management in order to get that kit running optimally and safely for everyday use. Honda probably stroked out their engine but tuned it down so that it can run safely but provide some gains. Remember, this F22C engine seems to be built to satisfy the complaints of the US market about the lack of torque. SInce it is not even offered in Japan. Also, I am interested in seeing what the dyno will eventually show on the F22C as ruexp67 pointed out. It could very well be that the engine produces more then 240hp. It's possible that Honda gave a rwhp rating instead of a crank rating that we have all gotten accustomed to. The theory behind this would be that they didn't want to upset their home market with what could potential be a better product.

Amer

thanks for the clarification Turbo, you answered it perfect

AusS2000

Maths!

Hp is torque times RPM. The 2.2 in the 2004 is limited to 8000 rpm because a car with a longer stroke can't rev as high (or it can, but it's less reliable). Higher torque x lower RPM means the same hp.

But if you stick a Feels kit in your 00-03 and retain the stock ECU you can rev to 9000. Whether of not it is safe is another question. I expect it would be ok, but would not meet Honda's QA.

If I were to install the Feels stroker kit I would defintely get the engine built and blueprinted by a very experienced engine builder. And some time in the next 3 years I will.

ruexp67

My point is that there was an ECU change for MY '02+. This has been shown via dyno to have raised the HP about 5HP at the wheels. Yet the 2001 and the 2002+ are all rated 240HP.

Chevy is notorious for under-rating their cars by simply quoting lower RPM numbers.

This is done in an effort to keep insurance rates from going up. Car companies understand that insurance rates are a big concern of consumers.

The viper carries a gas-guzzler tax. The 'vette does not. This is largly due to the 1-4 shift lockout on the 'vette (which is easily defeatable.)

Let's wait and see some actual dyno's of '04's before we believe Honda's HP ratings.

Amer

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruexp67
My point is that there was an ECU change for MY '02+.

AusS2000

Cool, but the fact is Hp=torque x rpm. The '04 has more torque (longer stroke) and less RPM (lower redline). The Feels kits would have more torque, the same RPM, and of course you'd tune for the best power possible.

SocratesDTC

I dunno about Feel's stroker kit, but there's TODA's 2.2 for MY00-up. The problem with this kit is that if you buy it separately it doesn't work. You need to buy Spec-C camshafts (or A-B) and spring valves. Also you need a Motec. The 2.2 stroker kit is avaliable with stock pistons OR with TODA high compression pistons. If you combine ALL these ^, the result is a 2.2L engine producing 300+HP (dunno wheel or crank) and you run at 9.200 rpm safely! The total cost is about $10,000 .
Ok, if you don't want to pay so much buy the 2.2L stroker with ECU. It's definitely cheaper than Feel's ($4,000) and you can run safely @ 9k rpm. Feel's st. kit is 2.3L so you may have to lower your redline.

If I'm wrong correct me,
Bill