The next-gen S2000 could use the 2.0-liter turbocharged I4 @ 320 HP.
02-10-2017, 11:51 AM
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This would be sweet, but also quite doable. Not that it'll ever happy. FI and hybrid will likely be the route if this ever came to fruition.
02-11-2017, 07:36 AM
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A flat-plane V6 is not technically feasible unless you ditch the "every 120 degree firing", and if it was, the balance shaft required would definitely inhibit any kind of high revving. With an I6 you could not go flat plane, but it is the most balanced engine there is and inherently "revvable". It works on I4s and V8s due to the 180 degree firing in the former, and the engine acting like 2 I4s in the latter. The S is high revving partially due to not even using a balance shaft (which are generally required on I4s for good NVH, even the K series has one), and a V6 absolutely requires one as it is not balanced end to end. IMHO, the J is dated and belongs on a SUV or sedan, and a V6 is such a compromised design that it does not belong on a RWD car unless a company is trying to save money by sharing the power-train with something else.
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02-11-2017, 10:29 AM
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A flat-plane V6 is not technically feasible unless you ditch the "every 120 degree firing", and if it was, the balance shaft required would definitely inhibit any kind of high revving. With an I6 you could not go flat plane, but it is the most balanced engine there is and inherently "revvable". It works on I4s and V8s due to the 180 degree firing in the former, and the engine acting like 2 I4s in the latter. The S is high revving partially due to not even using a balance shaft (which are generally required on I4s for good NVH, even the K series has one), and a V6 absolutely requires one as it is not balanced end to end. IMHO, the J is dated and belongs on a SUV or sedan, and a V6 is such a compromised design that it does not belong on a RWD car unless a company is trying to save money by sharing the power-train with something else.
But, if the V6 is really a "compromised design" that belongs in an SUV/Sedan & for shared-platform use, then why does the newest Skyline GT-R use it? I'm pretty sure GT-R engineers don't compromise on anything and are always trying to progress Godzilla.
02-11-2017, 05:06 PM
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Because it ushers in the new VR family of engines they want to use in almost every Nissan eventually. Whatever the new G37 is (I don't know their Q naming convention at all) uses a VR engine now.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
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02-12-2017, 11:18 AM
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Because it ushers in the new VR family of engines they want to use in almost every Nissan eventually. Whatever the new G37 is (I don't know their Q naming convention at all) uses a VR engine now.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
The new NSX is V6 too isn't it?
02-12-2017, 12:26 PM
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I honestly have no real interest in an "S2000 successor" because there's no way they could possibly make anything like it.
High-output, high-revving NA engines aren't "in" right now, and most likely never will be again.
Sublime manual transmissions with short ratios aren't "in" either, and also likely never will be again.
As an exercise in exciting, top-down action, this new car will probably fit the bill. It'll probably perform better than the S2000 in every quantifiable measure, and get great gas mileage to boot. But it won't be an S2000. That ship has sailed.
High-output, high-revving NA engines aren't "in" right now, and most likely never will be again.
Sublime manual transmissions with short ratios aren't "in" either, and also likely never will be again.
As an exercise in exciting, top-down action, this new car will probably fit the bill. It'll probably perform better than the S2000 in every quantifiable measure, and get great gas mileage to boot. But it won't be an S2000. That ship has sailed.
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Because it ushers in the new VR family of engines they want to use in almost every Nissan eventually. Whatever the new G37 is (I don't know their Q naming convention at all) uses a VR engine now.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
A V6 *must* have a balance shaft, and I6 does not need one at all, and making the latter perform at high RPM is way easier.. I will concede it's a fit for an MR vehicle due to packaging, but for a FR, a V6 is done for economic reasons.
That said, I'd like to hear how it is easier to make an I6 perform at high RPM over a V6. I'm aware of the natural harmonic balance of a standard firing order I6, as I've been a BMW guy as long as I've been a Honda guy, but these blanket statements are covering the truth as much as they are hiding lies man.
02-23-2017, 08:03 AM
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Blanket statements that are true:
Apples to apples, an inline engine more readily provides a combination of torque AND revs.
If Honda is saying that this new S2000 will be a 2018 model, expect it to be halfway ready in 2045.
Apples to apples, an inline engine more readily provides a combination of torque AND revs.
If Honda is saying that this new S2000 will be a 2018 model, expect it to be halfway ready in 2045.
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