But I digress that you're probably right. Maybe the difference is in how we define SNAP.

My issue is still this:
The sudden oversteer is an end result of something that the driver did wrong. It'd be as wrong in a Mustang/Camaro/Miata/Cadillac Brougham as it would be in a S2000. Almost nobody admits their mistake. And barely anyone looks into the reason the car oversteered. They chalk it up to "snap oversteer".

You can see the situation brewing. You see a string of things the driver did wrong for several seconds leading up to the incident. So...is snap or sudden or whatever word for "immediate" an accurate description of what happened?

When you get into a situation trying to show off for friends, it usually starts at "watch this". Then carries itself out over the next several seconds. Not suddenly.

Edit : I just now read the first few replies to this thread. Apparently , I'm not the only one with my opinion lol.

Yes. Exactly. But with BL, even if you're a seasoned martial arts stuntman, it still can be shocking how fast the blows come, even though you are expecting them, heard Director yell Action. You know they are coming, NOW, but they hit so hard and so fast.

I agree that you 100% that too many blame the car for their actions. That the cars design isn't defective.

But we do need some way to express to one that may not realize how responsive the car really is, before they drive it hard. How to tell someone oversteer progresses more quickly in this car than most others, especially when driver only has fwd experience, and says whats oversteer? This is not the car to learn what that is, just like BL is not the guy you want to fight when you never heard of mma.

Yup, exactly what I had in mind. Plus JC is still with us, while unfortunately BL is not. Just like the cars...

In my mind the analogy went further. Corvettes are like boxers (some are Heavy Weight, some are old and retired but it will still hurt if they land a punch), muscle cars like line backers. Turboed AWD are like Ninjas with those throwing stars, unfair technical advantage.

Roadcourse is a bar fight.

In my head is also playing the song, Everybody was Kung Fu fighting...HUH, those cats were fast as lightning...HA

yea, i don't think anyone is using the term 'snap oversteer' to place blame on the car - rather merely to describe it's tendency.

Car Analogy, you have an AP2...the AP1 is much worse. if you think the AP2 is like Bruce Lee...the AP1 would be...Neo from the Matrix.

I don't disagree, except I don't see this as 'worse'. Its a benefit, not a drawback. I bought the car because it is so responsive...

this thread https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JizzeERcZjg/maxresdefault.jpg

Oh snap! Over steer!

:LOL:

Pack it up boys, it's over.

s2000Junky officially wins the thread :bow:

I think at this point we are getting into semantics.

However I won't let that stop me from describing a recent trip to the dragon. It was actually yesterday, and conditions were damp. I think these are fantastic conditions to learn about a car. Because it is wet, you will be more attentive and you will keep the speeds lower. I was greatly impressed with how communicative the car was. It let me know what it was doing and I could hear and feel when I was asking the rear tires to do too much. This lead to very predictable moments of oversteer.

I feel like in the dry it would communicate in the same fashion. The issue is, the speeds would be much, much greater. Certainly not something I would want to test out on a public road.

My overall conclusion is that overall the car handles in a predictable manner, but given the speeds the car is capable of and the precision of the steering it will catch a lot of drivers out.