AP1 S2000 Engine ticking - Stumped!!
I am proud owner of a (new to me) 2000 NFR Honda S2000. It's got 120k miles on the body, and a mere 5k miles on the rebuilt engine and clutch. The "oil scroll valve" seal went out and leaked out all the oil on the engine, with the previous owner taking it to a professional rebuild shop outside of Atlanta called Assist Motorsports(anyone have any experience with them?)
Test drove the car, ran perfectly, i just noticed the slightest of occasional, what seemed to be to be a miss or slight vibration at idle. Ran good and made no sounds it shouldn't so it didn't bother me too much, figured it could just use a tune up as the car has had only a couple thousand miles put on it in the past 3-4 years. I got it for 5900(has a lot of dents on one side.. body shop is bringing car back to new for a whopping 1800), but still considering all the work it's had I thought I did alright. Now on to the problem I'm having today: Drove the car home from Atlanta to Louisville, KY. Somewhere in Tennessee I noticed that if i gave the car any decent amount of gas while in gear on the highway, it would make this odd, mettalic squeaky noise. I assumed it was a dry rotted or wet serpentine belt or something of that nature, I had driven through rain. Long story short, when i parked it it was now ticking at idle and continues ticking all the way through around 2-4k rpm, and it ALWAYS makes this squeaking noise when giving it decent throttle while in gear. When driving a little hard on it(5k+ rpm), it makes absolutely no noises and runs great and pulls hard. Also, when driving it like a granny or broke college student trying to save gas and feathering the throttle, it runs beautifully and make no noises at all. It's the middle(usual daily driving) set up that causes it all the trouble. What I have done so far: Sandblasted worm gear and piston(twice..) - seemed to make the sound much quieter and smoothed out the idle a good bit but never came too close to completely fixing it Replaced all spark plugs - did nothing Replaced serpentine belt - did nothing, belt on it was not even old due to the engine rebuild Checked serpentine puileys and tensioners - did nothing Dumped Seafoam in engine oil to potentially remove oil sludge buildup - also seemed to quiet it out for a bit but didn't last long I took the car to a local performance shop that has a fully built S2000 and the two workers listened to it for around 30 seconds to decide that one of the cylinders "swallowed a valve" or has cracked retainers. I bought the car from a lady in her 60s who had owned it since 25k miles and I didn't even approach the redline at any point over the journey home, I find their diagnose to be bulls***, that is why I am here today asking for help from the community! Their recommendation to have the motor rebuilt by them and "why not push it to 600hp and build it while you're at it" seemed ridiculous for an engine with 5k on it. Thank you in advance! -- Desperate s2k owner |
Sounds like a scored cylinder/defective build to me. The frequency is too slow to be TCT related.
If it swallowed a valve it wouldn't be running at all right now. Broken retainers show 0 symptoms. Yet another clueless lying shop that only cares about selling. Do some real diagnostics for a change instead of random guesswork that is 100% mechanically impossible. I have yet to see a single "built" engine outlast an all OEM S2000 engine. |
Originally Posted by Billman250
(Post 24149613)
Sounds like a scored cylinder/defective build to me. The frequency is too slow to be TCT related.
If it swallowed a valve it wouldn't be running at all right now. Broken retainers show 0 symptoms. Yet another clueless lying shop that only cares about selling. Do some real diagnostics for a change instead of random guesswork that is 100% mechanically impossible. I have yet to see a single "built" engine outlast an all OEM S2000 engine. |
Find a shop that can pinpoint that noise. With 100% certainty.
Maybe someone can recommend someone near you. Could be as simple as a very loose valve, adjustment wise. Valve adjustment, comp test, and upper engine inspection is your next move. |
Originally Posted by Billman250
(Post 24149623)
Find a shop that can pinpoint that noise. With 100% certainty.
Maybe someone can recommend someone near you. Could be as simple as a very loose valve, adjustment wise. Valve adjustment, comp test, and upper engine inspection is your next move. |
Billman suspects scored cyl. So get that compression test done and get back to us with numbers. In addition to warm motor and good battery, be sure to prop the throttle wide open, and disable the fuel pump fuse. All plugs removed.
If its cranking, but slow, that sounds a lot more like battery than starter to me. What makes you think its starter? A shotgun diagnostic process is never effective (shooting broadly in every direction swapping out random parts hoping one fixes it). Instead, why not try to focus on discovery. Right now that is getting compression test numbers. |
Originally Posted by Car Analogy
(Post 24149659)
Billman suspects scored cyl. So get that compression test done and get back to us with numbers. In addition to warm motor and good battery, be sure to prop the throttle wide open, and disable the fuel pump fuse. All plugs removed.
If its cranking, but slow, that sounds a lot more like battery than starter to me. What makes you think its starter? A shotgun diagnostic process is never effective (shooting broadly in every direction swapping out random parts hoping one fixes it). Instead, why not try to focus on discovery. Right now that is getting compression test numbers. |
Originally Posted by Car Analogy
(Post 24149659)
Billman suspects scored cyl. So get that compression test done and get back to us with numbers. In addition to warm motor and good battery, be sure to prop the throttle wide open, and disable the fuel pump fuse. All plugs removed.
If its cranking, but slow, that sounds a lot more like battery than starter to me. What makes you think its starter? A shotgun diagnostic process is never effective (shooting broadly in every direction swapping out random parts hoping one fixes it). Instead, why not try to focus on discovery. Right now that is getting compression test numbers. |
Did it make the noise in the video before you dumped Sea Foam in the oil or just the squealing noise? Doesn't sound good either way, good luck.
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Originally Posted by C4vettrn
(Post 24149802)
Did it make the noise in the video before you dumped Sea Foam in the oil or just the squealing noise? Doesn't sound good either way, good luck.
listening to those side by side, the noises are very very close. And in his situation, in the comments he said he did fix it by adjusting the valves. I set an appointment with my local Honda dealer tomorrow to take it to them and get their opinion and hopefully get the valves adjusted and see if that doesn't fix it |
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