camber/toe kit options
10-20-2017, 06:40 AM
#1
Thread Starter
camber/toe kit options
Hello,
i need help regarding alignment on my S. it is lowered on tein flex and i want custom spec alignment
I need to buy camber kit.
At front, i will buy SPC upper ball joints. Or maybe Buddy club lower ball joints are better?
At the rear, the question is - will I be ok with only Hardrace adjustable Toe arms? Because SPC rear upper ball requires 17 inch wheel at rear. Or should i buy buddy club adjustable lower ball joints?
Please help,
thank you
i need help regarding alignment on my S. it is lowered on tein flex and i want custom spec alignment
I need to buy camber kit.
At front, i will buy SPC upper ball joints. Or maybe Buddy club lower ball joints are better?
At the rear, the question is - will I be ok with only Hardrace adjustable Toe arms? Because SPC rear upper ball requires 17 inch wheel at rear. Or should i buy buddy club adjustable lower ball joints?
Please help,
thank you
10-20-2017, 07:50 AM
#2
Would help to know why you need aftermarket parts.
As in (example):
"My car is lowered agressively and I cannot get back to stock spec"
Or "I need the wheels to clear the fenders by using more camber than the stock adjuster allows"
Different parts for different purposes.
The car has quite a bit of stock adjustment, though, for all angles
As in (example):
"My car is lowered agressively and I cannot get back to stock spec"
Or "I need the wheels to clear the fenders by using more camber than the stock adjuster allows"
Different parts for different purposes.
The car has quite a bit of stock adjustment, though, for all angles
10-20-2017, 11:22 AM
#3
Thread Starter
car is not lowered too much, but dont know exact measure.
i want front camber -1.5, toe 0, caster over 6deg
and rear camber -2.0, toe 0.15 total
but my geo man said that he could not reach this specs, that i need some sort of camber kit
i dont have problems with fender clearance.
he has also said that biggest problem was relation rear toe and camber.
but i think that he was not willing to spend too much time on one car
one week ago i powerflexed my s completely and i put all new bolts, seized bolts are out
here is my current geo. rear right is the most problematic
Last edited by jsaric; 10-20-2017 at 11:56 AM.
10-20-2017, 11:47 AM
#4
It will take a little patience to get the rear camber and toe specs. But a good alignment guy should be able to get there. I don't see why you couldn't do it with the factory adjuster.
Is he mixing up the camber and toe adjusters? Either adjuster will move both. But the camber adjuster MAINLY moves camber. Toe adjuster MAINLY moves toe.
Toe and camber have an inverse relationship in the rear suspension.
He should over or under shoot one angle and coax it into spec while manipulating the other angle.
I would avoid aftermarket camber or toe kits until you absolutely need them.
If you do decide you need/want a rear adjuster, you should only need toe arms to get that spec.
Why are you buying front ball joints if the front is at what spec you need?
there are advantages and disadvantages to lower or upper adjustable ball joints.
Is he mixing up the camber and toe adjusters? Either adjuster will move both. But the camber adjuster MAINLY moves camber. Toe adjuster MAINLY moves toe.
Toe and camber have an inverse relationship in the rear suspension.
He should over or under shoot one angle and coax it into spec while manipulating the other angle.
I would avoid aftermarket camber or toe kits until you absolutely need them.
If you do decide you need/want a rear adjuster, you should only need toe arms to get that spec.
Why are you buying front ball joints if the front is at what spec you need?
there are advantages and disadvantages to lower or upper adjustable ball joints.
10-20-2017, 12:00 PM
#5
Thread Starter
It will take a little patience to get the rear camber and toe specs. But a good alignment guy should be able to get there. I don't see why you couldn't do it with the factory adjuster.
Is he mixing up the camber and toe adjusters? Either adjuster will move both. But the camber adjuster MAINLY moves camber. Toe adjuster MAINLY moves toe.
Toe and camber have an inverse relationship in the rear suspension.
He should over or under shoot one angle and coax it into spec while manipulating the other angle.
I would avoid aftermarket camber or toe kits until you absolutely need them.
If you do decide you need/want a rear adjuster, you should only need toe arms to get that spec.
Why are you buying front ball joints if the front is at what spec you need?
there are advantages and disadvantages to lower or upper adjustable ball joints.
Is he mixing up the camber and toe adjusters? Either adjuster will move both. But the camber adjuster MAINLY moves camber. Toe adjuster MAINLY moves toe.
Toe and camber have an inverse relationship in the rear suspension.
He should over or under shoot one angle and coax it into spec while manipulating the other angle.
I would avoid aftermarket camber or toe kits until you absolutely need them.
If you do decide you need/want a rear adjuster, you should only need toe arms to get that spec.
Why are you buying front ball joints if the front is at what spec you need?
there are advantages and disadvantages to lower or upper adjustable ball joints.
ok, then first thing to do is to find some patient geo man
Last edited by jsaric; 10-20-2017 at 12:07 PM.
10-20-2017, 12:37 PM
#6
If you buy adjustable upper (SPC) joints, don't plan on using them as adjusters.
Use them to gain a small amount of negative (or positive) camber. eyeball it. Only as much as you need. Lock them down. Forget they exist. Use the factory adjuster to actually adjust. Think of SPC joints as adjustment range extenders....not as adjusters.
Lower ball joints will give you a wider stance and also adjust roll center...as well as add travel to the suspension. You'll need to raise the coilover up slightly because RCA's will lower the ride height.
The big disadvantage to either kind is that they aren't OEM items...and cannot be trusted like an OEM ball joint can.
Use them to gain a small amount of negative (or positive) camber. eyeball it. Only as much as you need. Lock them down. Forget they exist. Use the factory adjuster to actually adjust. Think of SPC joints as adjustment range extenders....not as adjusters.
Lower ball joints will give you a wider stance and also adjust roll center...as well as add travel to the suspension. You'll need to raise the coilover up slightly because RCA's will lower the ride height.
The big disadvantage to either kind is that they aren't OEM items...and cannot be trusted like an OEM ball joint can.
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