All of the fun is in the gearbox
03-10-2019, 09:58 PM
#81
Driving in a straight line, paddling seems okay. But, when I was driving sig-other's Lexus F-sport around the canyons, it got a bit confusing, esp the down-shift paddle. When doing hand-over-hand, tight turns. I just left the thing in auto. I felt I was using the brakes a lot more, than in the S2000 (or any other old-school stick shift car). 
03-11-2019, 05:43 AM
#82
Lets face it the clutch is going to be like the hand crank - history. It is too expensive for car manufacturers to offer two transmissions, especially when the demand is no longer there. Ferrari's are now all automatics. The new mid-engine C8 Vet will only be available as an automatic.
03-11-2019, 07:50 AM
#83
All the fun is in the gearbox
I know, I know. Modern automatic transmissions are more fuel efficient than manual transmissions, and on the race track they’ve proven to be faster. Sometimes as much as .001 of a second faster. You can’t buy a new Ferrari with a manual transmission, if you want a BMW with a manual transmission you have to have it built in Germany as American dealers won’t import them for inventory, and if you want a new Honda with a manual transmission you have to buy an Si, Type R or wait for a special order which may or may not ever be delivered. What happened?
I was listening to the radio a few months ago and the news reader was talking about new cars. It seems that only 6% of all new cars being produced are being made with manual transmissions and only 18% of the licensed drivers know how to drive a manual transmission. What happened?
I learned to drive a manual transmission on a 1972 MGB way back in 1972 (actually I learned on a motorcycle a year earlier, but that’s a story for another time) and I’ve never looked back. I’ve been driving manual transmissions for so long that it feels like a very natural thing to do. All of my limbs are involved. When I drive a car with an automatic I don’t know what to do with my left foot or my right hand. I’ve driven cars with paddle shifters, but it’s not the same. Paddle shifters don’t react the same, exacting way, and anyway, it’s not a manual transmission if it doesn’t have a clutch peddle. My left foot has nothing to do and falls asleep.
A manual transmission keeps you involved with the car. Driving isn’t and shouldn’t be a passive activity. The driver should always be completely focused on driving and participate completely with the car. Upshifting makes the car go, downshifting is the art of driving a manual transmission. To be in the right gear in all situations is the demand of a manual and being able to do it is the skill you develop. Having developed the skill adds to the fun of driving.
I fear that with all of the emphasis on autonomous, self driving cars, we will see less and less manual transmissions and less and less people will know how to drive them. I suppose that is progress, but I’m not so sure that kind of progress is always a good thing.
My 1972 MGB put out only 95 horsepower, but with a 4 speed manual transmission I was able to do magical things. My 1978 X-1/9 put out even less, something along the lines of 70 horsepower, but that didn’t matter. It had a manual transmission and was a great deal of fun to drive.
I have heard many people say that if the S2000 had an automatic transmission it would have sold much better. Maybe so. Maybe more would’ve sold, but would they have been as much fun to drive? It’s a great car no doubt, with a great engine and great handling, but for me and many others it’s not the engine. All of the fun is in the gearbox.
I know, I know. Modern automatic transmissions are more fuel efficient than manual transmissions, and on the race track they’ve proven to be faster. Sometimes as much as .001 of a second faster. You can’t buy a new Ferrari with a manual transmission, if you want a BMW with a manual transmission you have to have it built in Germany as American dealers won’t import them for inventory, and if you want a new Honda with a manual transmission you have to buy an Si, Type R or wait for a special order which may or may not ever be delivered. What happened?
I was listening to the radio a few months ago and the news reader was talking about new cars. It seems that only 6% of all new cars being produced are being made with manual transmissions and only 18% of the licensed drivers know how to drive a manual transmission. What happened?
I learned to drive a manual transmission on a 1972 MGB way back in 1972 (actually I learned on a motorcycle a year earlier, but that’s a story for another time) and I’ve never looked back. I’ve been driving manual transmissions for so long that it feels like a very natural thing to do. All of my limbs are involved. When I drive a car with an automatic I don’t know what to do with my left foot or my right hand. I’ve driven cars with paddle shifters, but it’s not the same. Paddle shifters don’t react the same, exacting way, and anyway, it’s not a manual transmission if it doesn’t have a clutch peddle. My left foot has nothing to do and falls asleep.
A manual transmission keeps you involved with the car. Driving isn’t and shouldn’t be a passive activity. The driver should always be completely focused on driving and participate completely with the car. Upshifting makes the car go, downshifting is the art of driving a manual transmission. To be in the right gear in all situations is the demand of a manual and being able to do it is the skill you develop. Having developed the skill adds to the fun of driving.
I fear that with all of the emphasis on autonomous, self driving cars, we will see less and less manual transmissions and less and less people will know how to drive them. I suppose that is progress, but I’m not so sure that kind of progress is always a good thing.
My 1972 MGB put out only 95 horsepower, but with a 4 speed manual transmission I was able to do magical things. My 1978 X-1/9 put out even less, something along the lines of 70 horsepower, but that didn’t matter. It had a manual transmission and was a great deal of fun to drive.
I have heard many people say that if the S2000 had an automatic transmission it would have sold much better. Maybe so. Maybe more would’ve sold, but would they have been as much fun to drive? It’s a great car no doubt, with a great engine and great handling, but for me and many others it’s not the engine. All of the fun is in the gearbox.
03-11-2019, 08:07 AM
#84
I can’t imagine a musclecar without the option of having a manual transmission. A big part of the fun with a muscle car is dumping the clutch and slamming through the gears.
03-11-2019, 04:51 PM
#85
Lets face it the clutch is going to be like the hand crank - history. It is too expensive for car manufacturers to offer two transmissions, especially when the demand is no longer there. Ferrari's are now all automatics. The new mid-engine C8 Vet will only be available as an automatic.
so the shift lever and foot pedal is going away, but the clutch(es) remain.
You can still feather the throttle to steer and feather the balance through the corners. but with paddles, sorry dave.
03-11-2019, 08:48 PM
#86
Sport compacts and economy cars may soon be the last option for a manual transmission.
03-12-2019, 04:14 AM
#87
Former Moderator
I have two track friends who have exchanged from an automatic tranny to a manual transmission on their muscle cars. One of them did that on his 1970 Camaro on the garage floor without a lift. I think he spent about $5000 on the heavy duty parts. I am contemplating whether to do that on my 135i since the manual is available for it.
03-12-2019, 04:40 AM
#88
Jim, if you do that do you have to swap the engine and trans management units out as well?
03-12-2019, 04:54 AM
#89
I have two track friends who have exchanged from an automatic tranny to a manual transmission on their muscle cars. One of them did that on his 1970 Camaro on the garage floor without a lift. I think he spent about $5000 on the heavy duty parts. I am contemplating whether to do that on my 135i since the manual is available for it.
03-12-2019, 05:46 AM
#90
I have two track friends who have exchanged from an automatic tranny to a manual transmission on their muscle cars. One of them did that on his 1970 Camaro on the garage floor without a lift. I think he spent about $5000 on the heavy duty parts. I am contemplating whether to do that on my 135i since the manual is available for it.