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Old 04-05-2019, 10:28 AM
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Thought this article was interesting; it shows systemic problems with Boeing go beyond production of just one aircraft. I appears a top to bottom overhaul is needed to get Boeing back to it’s core business.

The Air Force is rejecting, again, new deliveries of KC-46 tankers because of low construction quality.

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Old 04-16-2019, 09:23 AM
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Got an email from American Airlines this morning related to this topic that I thought might be of interest. Here is the core point of the email:

To avoid last-minute changes and to accommodate customers on other flights with as much notice as possible before their travel date, we have made the decision to extend our cancellations for the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft through August 19, 2019, while we await recertification of the MAX.


Sounds like a reasonable move by AA considering how much trouble Boeing is having getting the MAX flight control software updates certified.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmomiller View Post
The Air Force is rejecting, again, new deliveries of KC-46 tankers because of low construction quality.
Technically it is not low construction quality but poor construction practices which allowed the foreign objects to go undetected.
I get to take the same course every year on FOD, foreign object damage.
A foreign object control plan should be implemented and reviewed by all members who are allowed access to the factory floor.


They are an incredible pain in the butt, but if your plane got rejected huge dineiros, it might matter a little more I guess.
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Old 05-05-2019, 07:01 PM
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Reading the latest CNN report it appears my suspicions were correct, that Boeing engineers knew about the safety issues well ahead of the first accident and chose to do nothing about it. The proper safety system that should have been put on all of their planes was only available to airlines as an option - i.e. - extra cost. Reports say the upper Boeing management knew nothing about the issues, but I can't imagine how they would not know. The report is very damming for Boeing.
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by zeroptzero View Post
Reading the latest CNN report it appears my suspicions were correct, that Boeing engineers knew about the safety issues well ahead of the first accident and chose to do nothing about it. The proper safety system that should have been put on all of their planes was only available to airlines as an option - i.e. - extra cost. Reports say the upper Boeing management knew nothing about the issues, but I can't imagine how they would not know. The report is very damming for Boeing.
This article pretty much confirms your suspicions about Boeing management's handling of the problem. The engineers were made to be the scapegoats, it appears.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:50 AM
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you could say it was engineered managed to fail.

I helped develop the flight simulators for the Boeing 777. If I recall they were on the order of $20 million a pop.
The processing behind it was 160 powerPC processors on a high performance mesh with a dedicated graphics engine.

So sure, An Ipad is probably close enough.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jukngene View Post
This article pretty much confirms your suspicions about Boeing management's handling of the problem. The engineers were made to be the scapegoats, it appears.
Yup, when the proverbial stuff hits the fan the managers flee like cockroaches while looking for someone to pin the blame onto. It is not possible for management not to know about this issue. Just like management at VW didn't know about the emissions scam. Engineers don't make decisions as far as I know, managers do.
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:14 AM
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The CEO's job is to set the culture.
How does the CEO value ethics and integrity? How does he reward or punish business wins and losses?

Extremely difficult to change an entrenched culture.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:05 AM
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Wow, they are grounded for the summer!
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