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Old 12-12-2018, 01:35 PM
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0-60 times aren't opinions.
Well that's what I was asking. I didn't watch the video and I don't know what the times are for each vehicle. I see 5.5 above for an AP1, and Dave doesn't say which car all his numbers represent ( I assume the S2000), so what's the 0-60 time for the Miata? I'm not arguing, just asking a simple question.

Oh wait, just reread from the top and see the Miata is 5.5. So Motor Trend says the S2000 is 5.2. So the S is faster! Correct?
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All the 0-60s I showed were for the AP1. As Mike suggests without doing a hard clutch dump, something around 6 would be reasonable vs. 5.5 that came in Hagerty's article for the Miata.
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Thanks Dave. So if you're willing to risk your clutch, you can beat the Miata. Of course how many drive their S2000s because of the 0-60 time?
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Brand new,completly stock,out of the box,13.8 secs.1/4 mile...ask Levi.
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Originally Posted by Emil St-Hilaire View Post
Brand new,completly stock,out of the box,13.8 secs.1/4 mile...ask Levi.
Yep, back in 02, the only time my S was at the track (I was just curious what it would do)....Others have done about 13.6 with some practice.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:05 PM
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Of course how many drive their S2000s because of the 0-60 time?


Of course I drive mine like I stole it all summer long at autocross events. I haven't run against the newest Miata yet, but "newer" Miatas out run S2000s in my class. Nine out of the top ten at Nationals were Miatas. An S2000 finished 8th. Tough to overcome the weight difference.

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Of course I drive mine like I stole it all summer long at autocross events. I haven't run against the newest Miata yet, but "newer" Miatas out run S2000s in my class. Nine out of the top ten at Nationals were Miatas. An S2000 finished 8th. Tough to overcome the weight difference.
Thanks, it shouldn't be surprising that the S2000 is showing its age. Once again, here's some history from my OLD notes, for those who were not around at the beginning....

SCCA Solo II Autocross

Since it’s introduction the S2000 has dominated it’s class. The competition at a National takes place over two days on two separate courses. The first day, competitors each get three runs to drive one of the courses and on the second day they get three runs on the other course. Runs are timed to 1/1000th of a second and knocking a cone down means a penalty of 2 seconds added to that time. The best times from each course are added together for the final standings.

Initially the S2000 was placed in A Stock. Here’s a writeup that was done at the time describing it. A-Stock is popular due to its low cost. In A-Stock, you can change the following things: Shocks(but not springs), front swaybar, DOT legal race tires, wheels(provided size is same as stock and offset varies no more than 6.35mm), thermostat, air filter, exhaust from cat back, brake pads, and lap-only-harness. Anything that's not on the list is forbidden. Unlike local events, at National events, people are checking for legality. Some of the rules use to make sense. Like the shock rule - this was adopted years ago so people could go to Midas to get shocks instead of having to go to the dealer to buy Honda shocks. Over the years, this has been twisted into people building custom, adjustable racing dampers - which satisfy the letter of the rule, but not the original intent. That's often the way racing goes, people look for every advantage possible. To compete at the highest levels you have to have all the same bits on your car to come close.

2000 Season - S2000 ran in A Stock (AS)
Early in the 2000 season Gary Thomason of Oceanside, CA showed he had the right stuff by placing his new S2000 in 1stplace at San Diego, CA. Ron Bauer of Kirkland, WA put his S2000 in 9thplace and Jason Keeney, Los Angelus was 11th. At the Seattle, Wash meet Ron Bauer was 2nd, and 4thwent to Chris Grivas of Chatsworth, CA, with 5thto Jason Keeney.

2000 Nationals, Topeka, KS
Gary Thomason of Oceanside, CA driving Red ‘00 Honda S2000 took 1stplace. Rita Wilse took the A Stock Ladies title the first year as well.

2001 Season - S2000 ran in A Stock (AS)
The 2001 Season began with Jason Saini of Chicago, IL taking 2ndat Meridian, Miss. At the San Diego, CA event, Joe Goeke of Kirkland, WA, who purchased the winning car of Gary Thomason, took 1stplace, with Ron Bauer 3rd, and Jason Keeney 5th. Joe Goeke took another 1stplace at Justin, TX, with Saini 4th. On the east coast at Ayer, MA, 1stwent to Mike Solomon’s S2000. In the mid-west at the Peru, Indiana meet Jason Saini took 2ndand his partner, sharing his car, Bradley Lamont 3rd. In the northwest at Seattle, it was 1st Ron Bauer and 2nd Joe Goeke.

2001 Nationals, Topeka, KS
There was 40 drivers participating in A Stock and the final results were S2000s took five of the top eight spots. Top honors went to Andy McKee in a Porsche Boxster S with Joe Goeke in the S2000 taking 2nd. Other S2000 owners were 3rd Jason Saini, 6th Matt McCabe of Omaha, NE,

Saini went on to be a pro-driver.

etc., etc., etc.
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I have never launched my S2000. For me, the 0-60 time just indicates loosely how well the car accelerates. The car gets driven aggressively on the track, but I wouldn‘t trust the diff at a raw clutch dump.

It is not a surprise that a 2019 Miata would launch faster than an S2000. Mazda has continued to improve the car year after year. The S2000 Ap1 is at least 15 years long in the tooth, and the Ap2 was discontinued about 10 years, soon to be 11, years ago. And they are still beautiful and are a joy to own and drive. I‘m not switching...
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I saw the Miata article in Hagerty and almost posted it. It is incorrect. If we are magazine racing, the new Miata's 0-60 is equal to the S2000's at best.
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