These slime eating garden slugs have hated us without good cause for years and years. Maybe it's time to give them a good reason.

The Godfather had it right when he said that it's better to be feared than loved. Thus rag head bastards have never been given cause to fear us. Time they learned.

 

Its time that these little men fear the Western World once again.

At this point, I don't think many NATO nations are terribly concerned about WHO exactly is responsible. We know who the terrorist groups are. If we take out 10 or more known extremist groups in tracking down the particular faction most responsible for September 11, 2001, then so be it.

NATO nations are sick of this bullshit. Sick of these cowardly little men, hiding behind religious dogma -- and whether or not they are directly responsible, they will be a part of those eradicated.

Who gives a fvck if Osama bin Laden is or isn't responsible. His time is up.

Who gives a fvck if Saddam Hussein had anything to do with it. His time is up as well. Its time to liberate the Iraqi people from a mad-man dictator.

Who gives a fvck if the Taliban are responsible. Their time is up.

When they are all smoldering corpses, who or who is not responsible will be purely academic.

Israel is fully aware of how this changes their situation -- no NATO member will continue to pressure them into pursuing peace. Those greasy fvcking dogs who drag dead Israeli soldiers through the streets in celebration will be treated like the animals they are, and exterminated.

I am fully in support of the removal of the Non Assassination agreement (or whatever you call it) and fully in support of brutal surgical strikes. The last thing I want to see is more innocent blood spilled, whether its Afghani, Pakistani, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, American, Canadian, Brit, etc.

I do sincerely hope that collateral and civilian damage is kept to a minimum, but that is secondary. NATO nations have the technology to direct their violent force directly at those who deserve to swallow it whole.

Bon appetit, fvckers.

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I can hear some call-in opinions on my local news station on the TV downstairs -- "there are other ways to solve this peacefully than war...enough blood has been shed." Well, I appreciate your sentiment, but you might as well have expected a peaceful resolution to Hitler's campaign in Europe.

You cannot reason with fanatics. You cannot debate with a rabid dog. Lets all take a lesson from Nature here, folks: The pack has decided its time to sink teeth into the throats of the rogue members of the species.

War is hell. However, there are rules of engagement. Those who do not play by the rules will not be protected by same.

I do not care what nationality, religion, creed, color or shoe-size these terrorists are. I blanket no nation or religion in my desire for justice -- we know specifically who the rabid dogs are. No grievance justifies the events of September 11, 2001.

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Hey -- there are some bleeding-heart liberals out there spouting their "evil begets evil" and "violence breeds violence" line. Well, it does generally apply...however, know what seems to separate the compassionate Western nations of the world from these bastards? When we win we don't systematically wipe out the remaining survivors.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pixsurguy
[B]The Godfather had it right when he said that it's better to be feared than loved.

 

After having seen the absolute demolition of Iraq, I'm a little surprised that they don't fear the US more. I think what they DON'T fear is that we wouldn't retaliate. I think they hoped that we would recoil back into passivity and pacifism as has been done in the past. This is a whole different ball game now that they have dealt this card. There is, and there should be, swift and severe punishment of whomever is responsible for this. No apologies, no pacifism, no bullshit...just bombs, planes, guns and more bombs to show them what the REAL fear of God is all about.

The current military techonology, firepower and bad attitude that it has now is so far and away more serious than this group could possibly imagine in a 1000 lifetimes. If, and going by the President's words, the US goes after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them, they will see a hellfire that is simply beyond comprehension...and IMO, they deseve every ounce of anger and terror they get from a UNITED NATO force. The US is not alone in this battle and if Afghanistan is harboring bin Laden, as it appears, and they refuse to give him up, that country will be brought to its knees and devastated. IMO, war has been declared on the US and those who declared it have absolutely no concept of how profound and magnificent the response will be...and that is my hope - severe and absolutely overwhelming force be wrought upon them.

If you would like to read a fascinating artlicle about Saddam Hussein, check out the latest issue of Maxim. There is an amazing article about him and his two sons. This bunch is a legacy of terror going back eons and it appears now that Hussein may have, in part, funded this little exercise that was just unleashed on the US. Sick mf'ers these guys are and they deserve every ounce of the hell they get...period.

 

Take away their oil and what is the Middle East? A collection of primitive third-world nations with an abundance of blind religious fanaticism and dogma.

The money is flowing out of the ground there. These nations do NOT have to rely on ingenuity, good government, democratic values or many of the other Western virtues we hold so dear -- to make a living.

These countries have never had to finally realize the necessity to divide church and state. Church IS state. Christian fanaticism and dogma has committed terrible atrocities. Well, we had to out-grow that, now, didn't we? Maybe now our collective Western religion is 'democracy' (which is perhaps thin and illusory) -- and we commit atrocities in the name of 'democracy'?

When you have no need to wake up and join the morality of the modern world because you sit on a geyser of black gold, you can manifest your misguided, out-dated, primitive ethics and agendas.

The snarling sweaty cur over there in the sand can afford to watch the rest of his pack starve. Its hard to hurt him when he cares little for his countrymen. In fact, he can rip them to shreds for fun if he so wishes (Hussein re: Kurdistan, Taliban re: women, etc.), the supply of dog-food is THAT vast and endless that he has to play by NO rules, respect NOONE and does not even have to rely on the solidarity of his brethren.

Without the oil, they're just pre-Renaissance barbarians. Don't let the bullet-proof gold-trimmed Mercedes fool you.

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Maybe I am a *bit* carried away here. There ARE good people in these nations. Just as there were good Christians in the nations who commited atrocities in the name of the Christian God.

Make no mistake, someone like Osama bin Laden is an intelligent, educated man. However, what drives his agenda? "The presence of a Christian army on holy Islamic soil is a blood insult to Islam" -- how MEDIEVAL IS THAT?!

I think I need to clarify my point -- those who hold power there hold it so absolutely that they are immune from any need to update their policies.

We have the Arabs to thank for much of our philosophy, much of our mathematics, but those who hold power are not necessarily our friends -- they just happen to have stability within their own country (maybe they brutally annihilated their domestic opposition long before we cared about their politics?) and we (the democratic Western World) have struck a balance with some of them regarding the price of oil.

No countries' history (well, few) are without bloodshed. Say Iraq completely annexed Kuwait and annihilated its citizens -- well, it would seem awfully peaceful on that particular waterfront property there after the fact, now, wouldn't it?

Don't confuse money and power with civility. The West routinely turns a blind eye to the internal atrocities of many countries we benefit from economically.

Furthermore, some of these countries have more money than God. You'd think they could fund a ton of humanitarian research and foreign aid. Nope. Billion-dollar yachts, gold-plated Mercedes, private island estates.

You don't question men who have that sort of money. You accept whatever goofy bullshit they say, no matter how medieval.

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Maybe I'll delete this sh1t when I am less angry, I don't know.

 

Maybe this is a new thread, but -- did anyone else read the apparently non-fiction article on Hussein's sons? It was in a fairly recent issue of one of the modern men's magazines (Stuff or Maxim -- something like that), the one with (sorry, Miss, but I forget your real name) the actress who plays Meadow Soprano?

It was almost too horrific to NOT be propaganda.

It seems to fit with countless other tales of the ultra-elite in some of these nations.

Is it all propaganda?

 

This is a little off topic (well, its all off topic, but all on the same subject I guess)...

But, since I live in Texas.. Austin specifically, we've had Bush "rule" our state for quite some time. And, while I won't argue or comment or who/what/how-many/etc.. we should attack/etc... I CAN tell you this:

Knowing what he's done in the past as far as Capital Punishment goes, and the fact that "they" hit the home of America (where, by the way, his wife was CLOSE to the Pentigon), I STRONGLY suspect when presented his options, it WILL be one of strong agression. Now-- I'm not saying its right, or wrong, justified or not, BUT, knowing how he handled "killing" here in Texas, he's 110% all for it, without remorse.

This being said, I know many people feel different ways, but I think we should try to "understand" the mentality of Bush. He's going to be (has been) presented with many-many options. And I can say with much certanty that he'll most definately respond in a very-very forcefull way. And yes, I believe many-many innocent lives will be lost from this (both American, and foreign), but I also belive in the next 3-4 weeks we'll see much death in this world-- right, or wrong.

... hmm ... last thoughts (as it is late)-- I hope no one takes this as a personal attack on American's or foreigners that read this, rather I'm just trying to make a statement based on what I've seen in the past (weather you, or I, agree if its right or wrong).

-- Aaron

 

thats not only a threat but an insult.. if innocent and sinless people suffer.. ok so what were the people in the WTC??

there are so many idiots in this world.. did they expect anything good to come of this.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chroot
[B]I really do feel for the Afghan civilians right now... their pleas to the Americans to spare their lives are literally painful to hear.

 

Silverfog,

Excellent, thought-provoking post.

Small nitpick: you link democracy to weakening intolerance towards non-Muslims. I don't believe that is true, as evidenced by the number of Egyptians involved in the WTC attack.

My thoughts:
Religious extremism finds a home in poor, hopeless people.

You have pointed out that even some Arab nations with massive oil wealth have huge numbers of poor, hopeless people.

I assert (and agree with your point) that the existence of poor, hopeless people is the fault of their governments, which feel no need to help their own people.

I assert that even if we depose the existing governments and create democracies, that most will return to Muslim dictatorships due to the influence of Islam in the lives of the majority of the people.

One possible, though probably unpalatable, option would be to find military leaders in each country who strongly support democracy and make them 'caretakers' of the government. This is basically how Turkey operates; the military backs secular government and threatens to step in when it veers towards theocracy.

I don't see a way out of this in the long term. We can't abandon Israel for moral reasons, which means that we will always be embroiled in Middle East politics. We can't throw a massive Marshall plan at the region, because the people are basically skill-less and uneducated (as opposed to Europe and Japan which just needed resources to put their developed manpower to work).

In the short term, we will destroy the terrorist networks and possibly a few governments. This will buy us a decade to find a better solution, before we face nuclear terrorism.