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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 07:07 PM
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How many of you want the S2k to stop production in 01, no more for at least a yr, like they did with the r from 99-00 no r, and why
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 07:34 PM
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i honestly don't care.
i love this car, and if only 1 person other than me in the world has it that's as good as if everyone has it. it's my car and that's all that matters.
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 08:02 PM
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wouldn't it make it more like a collectors item?
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 08:06 PM
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and?
what's so great about that?
hard to find and expensive replacement parts?
very few mechanics who know how to work on it?
no market for aftermarket parts?

in exchange for what?
so people will think i'm cool?
whatever.

again. i could care less how many OTHER people own this car as long as I own one.
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 08:30 PM
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Surely there's some other car you could buy that nobody else wants. The M Coupe comes to mind. Maybe you could fill their board with this drivel.
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 08:32 PM
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Everybody should have the opprotunity to experience this car. When I want to drive around with something exclusive I take my girlfriend. It's a great car, but its not a Picasso
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 10:12 PM
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Think about how many "rare" cars turn into collectors cars?

How about the 89 T/A with the 3.8 Turbo? Rare (I know, GM)
how about the Formula version of the WS6 Ram Air package -- something like 524 made in 96, 473 in 97, and fewer and fewer in following years to under 100 I believe. They no longer even make the Formula WS6 from what I last read...

Now, those are "rare" cars, and if you think about it, the number of Japanese "rare" cars is really pretty few. The 2000GT comes to mind.

There have been numerous "rare" versions of American cars, but really and truly the only time anyone benefits from it being rare is years and years down the road...

Just my opinion. I can't honestly say I want them to stop production... in part because all it does is drive up the level of "scumbaggery" from dealerships... those 10k markups tend to end up with NOBODY winning. The dealership loses out on a sale at sticker, the person tends to go elsewhere, or perhaps to another brand... lose-lose situation.

Sure, it might help my resale value if that happened, but I didn't buy this car for resale. I expect it to depreciate like all other Hondas (which is to say, not a lot). But I certainly dont expect to have it hold some rediculous value because of its scarcity.
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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 10:33 PM
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Look at Ferraris and Lamborghinis...very very few made, and they certainly don't appreciate in value. There's over 10,000 S2000s in America, and that's a huge number in comparison to the exotics. If you bought this car as an investment, you made a mistake.
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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 06:56 AM
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its was just a question, by the way how can dealers loose on 10k markups, if they sell them over msrp and they sell all of the cars they get how is that a lose lose situation, think before you speak!

its not an investment i was just thinking of what if, and by the way all honda mechanics know the car and trust me compared to other hondas its not much different under the hood. And the nsx is rare in my opinion, and there is toons of aftermarket parts for it, and as of now there is tons of it to for the s2k, tell me what do you want for the car that is after market that by the end of summer will not be made?
Thanks for reading later!!!
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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Typer_00
its was just a question, by the way how can dealers loose on 10k markups, if they sell them over msrp and they sell all of the cars they get how is that a lose lose situation, think before you speak!

Perhaps you should read carefully before responding in such a blunt manner...

If a dealership won't budge from a 10k over sticker markup, I certainly wouldn't buy the car from them. I'd go elsewhere. If you have somebody footing the bill for your car and dont care where that extra 10k goes, so be it. I for one would never pay over sticker for a car.
let me make it simple for you to understand my point...

$32740, MSRP of S2000 -- could be sold for this...
+10000 markup -- probably wont be sold for this

so, if they don't budge from it, then instead of getting 32740 for the car, they (who are wanting 42740) get ZERO...
get it?

Now, you figure that when I originally looked for the S2000, there were 3-4 nearby dealers that would NOT budge from their markup. So, they lost out on the sale... I went elsewhere. See where I am coming from?

And I don't know where you live, but here they are NOT selling all the cars they get. I've seen the same black,yellow and silver ones sitting outside a nearby dealership for over a month now. With recent economy slow downs and also the fact that it IS winter, even great selling sports cars aren't doing so well. Take for example the Corvette. Its been a VERY hot seller in the recent years. And with more volume, you'd expect a little more room in negotiation. I mean come on, the S2000 is rare at 5-6k per year... a Vette at 30k per year is not rare. The 10k markup is still the same. I was however able to negotiate a Vette down to sticker locally, but the final part was that it would take 4 months to get and they could not guarantee me what color or options it would have even though I ordered it... I walked, called up the east coast and had my exact Vette, built to order, in 2 months at 2k under sticker... I think thats better than paying sticker, waiting longer, and having no guarantee what color/options I got

Sure, I bought my S2000 used, but its not because I couldn't afford a new one. It was just that nobody locally would come 1 cent off the 10k over... even ads from the east coast were showing markups...

Sorry, but as good as the S2000 is, its not worth 42000. And my Vette was certainly not worth 10k less than the S2000 (thats what the local Honda dealer wanted to give me).

All in all, this long post is just saying that the S2000 is in a market segment with HOT competition. The Vette is something people set out for specifically. The S2000 is something they look at because of its value at 32k vs the other cars in its class. I mean at 32k, what else is out there that comes close? If I am gonna have to spend 42k on a roadster because the Honda dealer won't come down, I'd walk over to the BMW store and pick up an M-Roadster. Sure its chassis isnt as stiff, but its got a great engine and at 42k the S2000 is no bargain. If I was feeling a bit more generous, I'd check out the 01 M Roadster at 46k. 315hp... it goes like stink

I'd say its a lose-lose situation. I lose because I dont get to experience the joy of owning the S2000, and Honda loses because they dont get my money.

see? I'm not trying to flame you or anything, but you have to look at the current real world...
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