IMO: I know which charity I would rather give too
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IMO: I know which charity I would rather give too
On a personal note:
I have always had a warm place in my heart for the Salvation Army, as it was them that handed me a little bag full of toiletries as I got on the bus on my way to basic training the day that I got drafted into the U.S. Army, and said "good luck to you soldier". On the other hand, when my Uncle lost his blanket during the battle on Iwo Jima in WWII, it was the Red Cross that gave him a new blanket, and then had the cost deducted from his next pay check.
Happy holidays,
Matt
This is the e-mail as I received it below. It sounds about right to me. But wanted to verify before I send it to EVERYONE that I know. BTW, it makes me happy that we donated our Katrina relief dollars to the Salvation Army this year.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/sal...army-salary.htm
Subject: salaries
As you open your pockets for yet another natural disaster, keep
these facts in mind:
Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the American Red Cross
salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plus expenses.
Brian Gallagher, President of the United Way receives a
$420,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits.
The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a
salary of only $166,850 per year for managing
this $2 billion dollar organization.
No further comment is necessary.
P.S. The above is the e-mail that I sent to my friends and family.
What do you think about this?
I have always had a warm place in my heart for the Salvation Army, as it was them that handed me a little bag full of toiletries as I got on the bus on my way to basic training the day that I got drafted into the U.S. Army, and said "good luck to you soldier". On the other hand, when my Uncle lost his blanket during the battle on Iwo Jima in WWII, it was the Red Cross that gave him a new blanket, and then had the cost deducted from his next pay check.
Happy holidays,
Matt
This is the e-mail as I received it below. It sounds about right to me. But wanted to verify before I send it to EVERYONE that I know. BTW, it makes me happy that we donated our Katrina relief dollars to the Salvation Army this year.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/sal...army-salary.htm
Subject: salaries
As you open your pockets for yet another natural disaster, keep
these facts in mind:
Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the American Red Cross
salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plus expenses.
Brian Gallagher, President of the United Way receives a
$420,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits.
The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a
salary of only $166,850 per year for managing
this $2 billion dollar organization.
No further comment is necessary.
P.S. The above is the e-mail that I sent to my friends and family.
What do you think about this?
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Originally Posted by paS2K,Dec 15 2005, 12:03 AM
Well, that surely is the way to kill a thread, Matt! A legend in his own time!
Jerry,My goal was not to live up to my reputation as a thread killer, as I posted the e-mail as I sent it to almost everyone that I know. Although, as you have pointed out, I have done an effective job of "thread killing".
However, in the bigger picture. If people see the post, and realize the differential in "overhead" of the Executives salaries' of the big charitable organizations my goal will have been accomplished.
BTW: Marsha Evans resigned yesterday. Makes me wonder what the new head will make?
Jerry, I thought that was fairly concise and told the story about which one of those charities passed more of one's donations along to the cause. If you disagree, I would be happy to see your comments.
P.S. I will edit the post with a "what do you think about this?"
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You might want to rethink.
According to Forbes Mag, in 2004 91% of the American Red Cross expenses were for charitible purposes (as opposed to fundraising and salary). Only 83% of the expenses of the Salvation Army were for charitable purposes.
And by the way, all the United Way agencies are local and independent. Most of them run in the 80-90% ratio.
Total expenses for the ARC were $3.3B versus $2.5B for the SA. So the ARC overhead was $297M and the SA overhead was $425M. Looks to me like the ARC did more with less....
According to Forbes Mag, in 2004 91% of the American Red Cross expenses were for charitible purposes (as opposed to fundraising and salary). Only 83% of the expenses of the Salvation Army were for charitable purposes.
And by the way, all the United Way agencies are local and independent. Most of them run in the 80-90% ratio.
Total expenses for the ARC were $3.3B versus $2.5B for the SA. So the ARC overhead was $297M and the SA overhead was $425M. Looks to me like the ARC did more with less....
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Dec 15 2005, 12:23 AM
You might want to rethink.
According to Forbes Mag, in 2004 91% of the American Red Cross expenses were for charitible purposes (as opposed to fundraising and salary). Only 83% of the expenses of the Salvation Army were for charitable purposes.
And by the way, all the United Way agencies are local and independent. Most of them run in the 80-90% ratio.
According to Forbes Mag, in 2004 91% of the American Red Cross expenses were for charitible purposes (as opposed to fundraising and salary). Only 83% of the expenses of the Salvation Army were for charitable purposes.
And by the way, all the United Way agencies are local and independent. Most of them run in the 80-90% ratio.
I appreciate your comment. I think that it is interesting that Truthorfiction.com also used the Forbes database to come up with the numbers. Then, I suppose that the other part of the equation is how "top heavy" the various charities are with other managers and administrative expenses.
With that stated: I still think that I have a valid point about the disparity of the "Head do gooders" salaries. As well as my experience versus my Uncle's experience as a soldier.
I will add to that:
During the big "Black Out" in the north eastern United States in the mid 60's my next older brother was stranded in Manhattan. The Salvation Army had a canteen set up where they were giving away donuts and coffee to the people that were stranded. The Red Cross was set up a block away, and where selling their donuts and coffee.
Additionally, When I was stationed at Fort Dix in 1971, with a company that trained radio operators we had a student who's wife wrote him a "Dear John" letter. He requested an "Emergency Leave" to go home and try to save his marriage. The Red Cross did "loan him " the money for the air fare and then deducted it out of his subsequent pay checks.
I am NOT trying to state that the Red Cross does not do "GOOD". IMO, it has been my experience that the Salvation Army does a better job of doing "GOOD". At least in my world.
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Originally Posted by matt_inva,Dec 14 2005, 08:38 PM
With that stated: I still think that I have a valid point about the disparity of the "Head do gooders" salaries.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Dec 15 2005, 12:41 AM
Sure. But the fact still remains that $.83 of your SA $1 went to charity, while $.91 of your ARC $1 went to charity. Maybe that means the ARC CEO earned the extra money. Or maybe it means it could have even been better if the CEO salaries had been more even. You can look at it either way.
I will respectfully disagree with you. You have overlooked the most likely senario: The fact that the ARC brings in so much more in donations that even though the Management takes more off the top (that should go to the people) that it skews the numbers? After all of their expenses are covered the excess "profit" (if you will) gets to the people.
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www.charitynavigator.org gives the AmerRedCross a 4 
rating (highest), while it gives this report on the SalvArmy:
rating (highest), while it gives this report on the SalvArmy:
You searched for "Salvation Army"
Sorry, we don't evaluate The Salvation Army.
Why not? Many religious organizations are exempt under Internal Revenue Code from filing the Form 990. As a result, we lack sufficient data to evaluate their financial health.
Sorry, we don't evaluate The Salvation Army.
Why not? Many religious organizations are exempt under Internal Revenue Code from filing the Form 990. As a result, we lack sufficient data to evaluate their financial health.
