Oil Burn
08-24-2001, 02:00 AM
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What it comes down to I think, is that the F20C is a cutting edge high performance engine which is very revolutionary in its design.
Apart from the fact that VTEC depends on oil pressure, it seems that due to something inherent in the design, there is a tendency for #4 cylinder to become starved of oil under the influence of hard right hand cornering IF THE OIL LEVEL IS LOW!! You really do need to be anal about checking the oil level regularly. There is every possibiity that if Honda feel the problem is due to the user not topping up, they will not feel they have any warranty obligation
This doesn't alter the fact there there is a known problem in that SOME engines develop the problem due to faulty machining. Honda are putting these problems right under warranty where they become apparant with no quibbles, so the answer is not to weaken your warranty rights by what they are likely to call 'User neglect' if you don't top up your oil
All this must be alarming for new owners when they see the amounts of oil the car consumes initially. In my own case I was very worried by the amount of oil I was regularly putting in to start with, but this gradually tailed off to the point that I rarely have to add oil at all these days. This doesn't prevent me from checking the oil at least weekly and in the middle of any long drive. There's a member called Barry/Silver/Black something like that, on the U.S. Board who has spent a great deal of time documenting, collating and researching this #4 problem. If you do a search you'll find a number of his threads.
In case anyone is wondering... if you had to buy a replacement engine, you would be out of pocket to the tune of
Apart from the fact that VTEC depends on oil pressure, it seems that due to something inherent in the design, there is a tendency for #4 cylinder to become starved of oil under the influence of hard right hand cornering IF THE OIL LEVEL IS LOW!! You really do need to be anal about checking the oil level regularly. There is every possibiity that if Honda feel the problem is due to the user not topping up, they will not feel they have any warranty obligation
This doesn't alter the fact there there is a known problem in that SOME engines develop the problem due to faulty machining. Honda are putting these problems right under warranty where they become apparant with no quibbles, so the answer is not to weaken your warranty rights by what they are likely to call 'User neglect' if you don't top up your oil
All this must be alarming for new owners when they see the amounts of oil the car consumes initially. In my own case I was very worried by the amount of oil I was regularly putting in to start with, but this gradually tailed off to the point that I rarely have to add oil at all these days. This doesn't prevent me from checking the oil at least weekly and in the middle of any long drive. There's a member called Barry/Silver/Black something like that, on the U.S. Board who has spent a great deal of time documenting, collating and researching this #4 problem. If you do a search you'll find a number of his threads.
In case anyone is wondering... if you had to buy a replacement engine, you would be out of pocket to the tune of
08-24-2001, 05:19 AM
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I don't want to get into an argument about this issue, but I think your conversation is very wrong.
If the oil levels was to be checked on every performance car on a weekly basis, we would not have F1, indy car and touring car championships.
The engineer who fitted the alarm to my car told why engines burn large quantities of oil before I was told that their was a fault with no4. He also said that the 300ZX and 740 BMW(V8) enines had piston failure a couple of years ago. Both companies did a full recall and changed the complete engine if your car was under warrenty or if U had a full service history.
If honda was to published this sort of information, surely they would be digging a grave for the s2000.
Honda are forced to fixed the engines under warrenty. They have no choice. This is the general feedback I get from honda UK.
I think we should discuss why an oil warning light is not fitted to the car?
RL
I don't want to get into an argument about this issue, but I think your conversation is very wrong.
If the oil levels was to be checked on every performance car on a weekly basis, we would not have F1, indy car and touring car championships.
The engineer who fitted the alarm to my car told why engines burn large quantities of oil before I was told that their was a fault with no4. He also said that the 300ZX and 740 BMW(V8) enines had piston failure a couple of years ago. Both companies did a full recall and changed the complete engine if your car was under warrenty or if U had a full service history.
If honda was to published this sort of information, surely they would be digging a grave for the s2000.
Honda are forced to fixed the engines under warrenty. They have no choice. This is the general feedback I get from honda UK.
I think we should discuss why an oil warning light is not fitted to the car?
RL
08-24-2001, 05:59 AM
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Hey, who's arguing
I'm just trying to help new owners to see the picture
Before you base your grievances with Honda around not having an oil warning light you really ought to check your handbook
I'm just trying to help new owners to see the picture Before you base your grievances with Honda around not having an oil warning light you really ought to check your handbook
08-24-2001, 08:38 AM
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There is warning light available for low oil pressure.
Personally I think that it is a Hazard to have such a warning light.
If U are waiting for this light to give U any indication then its going to be too late.
The light does flash ocasionally (low oil, changing down and stoping). But this won't attrack your normal day to day driver.
Actually I will pass this to honda technical. I think this is a very valid question.
RL
There is warning light available for low oil pressure.
Personally I think that it is a Hazard to have such a warning light.
If U are waiting for this light to give U any indication then its going to be too late.
The light does flash ocasionally (low oil, changing down and stoping). But this won't attrack your normal day to day driver.
Actually I will pass this to honda technical. I think this is a very valid question.
RL
08-24-2001, 08:48 AM
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To be fair, yes,..there is some suggestion that the light doesn't come on till the oil is very low. If you can get Honda to raise the level at which it activates, it can only be a good thing. Good luck to you.
08-27-2001, 09:46 AM
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Just topped up my oil... stuck 1litre of GTX Magnatec in.... seems fine. A little smoother somehow ?
Now done around 7,800 miles in 7 months.
I should think about that service soon
Now done around 7,800 miles in 7 months.
I should think about that service soon
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Years ago had a Golf GTI 16v (ok, hohohoho!) - which consumed oil like fury up to about 8-10000 then never used a drop between services up to 95000 - when it was running very sweetly...all original parts!
Wife's Megane has one of these 5 x 'O's oil level gauges - but as a 40-50000 miles a year old fart I am manic about oil,coolant,washer levels & tyre pressures - comes from owning some bum cars in the past!
Wife's Megane has one of these 5 x 'O's oil level gauges - but as a 40-50000 miles a year old fart I am manic about oil,coolant,washer levels & tyre pressures - comes from owning some bum cars in the past!
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