Question to users of 2008/2009 of years of production?
 

Hi I am writing to you from Poland.

What are your mileage in their cars, with production 2008/2009?
Do you have any problems? In Poland fell yet another engine of these models? Or maybe someone knows what component is responsible for these failures?

HHas anyone driven a car with the years of production without malfunction 30 - 40 or 50 thousand miles?

I have done 65k miles in my Feb 2008 and the engine hasn't missed a beat.
But I did have a new clutch and then a new gearbox, both under warranty!

50,000 trouble-free miles in my Apr 08 plate. It was a Euro import to the UK via Cyprus, which may or may not make a difference.

There's a whole topic about the 09 engine failures.

Early 08 ones seem to be fine still..

Those who broke down in Poland this year, 2008.

Beginning or end of 08?

one year model 2008 one 2009

How many S2000s are there now in Poland? Not many, I guess.

Two failures may be a statistical anomaly among few cars.

There seem to be a lot of failures on this board, but people rarely post to say theirs hasn't. So it's hard to judge, really.

Bit like the Porsche Boxster's rear main oil seal; they still fail, but now only at what might be considered a normal rate for a typically unreliable sports car. But because of the early problems they get highlighted, perhaps unfairly now.

The problem is not how many cars in Poland, the problem is that all of the years 2008 and 2009 we know are starting to have engine failure.

In Poland there are dozens of S2000 from different years of production, but only those of the year 2008/2009 are so severe that no reasonable course of car, engine failures!???

Well, we thought the same here, but all of a sudden there have been a lot of engine failures on older cars too.

It's very hard to get any idea of %ages. Certainly with the 08/09 problems (and I agree those cars have had far too many) Honda UK seems to have gagged owners.

Is Honda Pl doing anything to help local owners towards the cost?

Already a OWNER is to reconcile the need to fix it at their own expense. But even though we know what is the reason for these failures ...

Is the problem with lubrication (pump malfunction) or any defective parts in the engine ...

I know that in the UK were removed oil pan for inspection. But what you were looking for?

We don't actually know. Honda won't say.

The problem seemed to be 'crank walk' from a dodgy set of thrust washers.

With some cars, it seems as if the main bearing shells were also substandard too.

We suspect there was a box or two of bad bearing shells & washers used on the assembly last batch of F20c s made. That way, they have no way of knowing which engines were affected and which weren't until they fail.

That's our best guess, anyway.

I am actually the latest victim of Honda's mistakes with 08/09 engines and to be honest as now I am considering different solutions I would really like to know what causes the failures just to eliminate the problem whilst rebuild.
FYI, Honda Poland does not give a f*** about these problems and they keep blaming users.
I just started a new topic on F20C2 to F22C conversion so please take look. Looking forward to your suggestions.
Cheers

I mentioned the oil pan on Toda oil Pan, what I look for when replacing the pan? Where do I find it? metal swarf?

45k on an 09 and seems fine only problem is I dont get to drive it enough!

It seems to be the best solution:

So far so good

Reply below from Honda UK when I raised the matter of S2000 engine failures. My 09 reg has now done 32500 miles & so far engine is perfect. I believe that if there is a problem with lack of initial lubrication of the crankshaft thrust washers engine problems will occur at low mileage.

If any unusual mechanical noises become noticeable from engine or drivetrain when driving then best to drive gently to somewhere where it is safe to stop & get car taken on flatbed to Honda dealer. I would not trust breakdown companies to diagnose unless its something obvious.

Cause

"In some cases, oil application to the crankshaft thrust
washer during production was insufficient. Combined
with a high surface pressure, this could result in scuffs
on the thrust washer, leading to abnormal wear and
eventually abnormal noise."

I hope this information helps , As I said please let me know if you wish to discuss this any further in the future. I would by happy to call you should you prefer if you provide me with a contact number along with the best times to contact you.

Thank you very much for taking the time to contact Honda UK .

Best regards

Richard


Richard Clissold
Customer Relations Technical Advisor
Honda (UK)

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Have you got Honda Poland contacts? If not contact Phil Dix in Honda UK, who WILL help :)