Strange Days
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Strange Days
My research into the tyres' schitzophrenia reached a new level today.
On the A10, the volume of traffic had dried the surface. Although very cold, the surface meant that after 10 miles, the car could be Vtecced (new verb) with impunity. On the shadier B roads, where the roads were damp and the water still little above zero, the change of feel was amazing.
The front wheels signified that "oo-er, I'm not sure about this" syndrome, followed by a disconnected feeling when the rears followed track. At normal (ish) speeds off-Vtec, it wasn't a problem. As the roads winded onto higher moors, where the weak sun had dried the surface and warmed though the misty chill, one could again safely summon the 6K surge. As the landscape anticlined into shady dampness, one felt the need to relent as the car began its symptoms of insecurity.
I better understand that the car's alleged handling problems are directly related to the contrast between its warm/dry phenomenal grip and its very average cold/damp abilities. I am certain many junior supercars have tyres that are much more competent in the latter conditions.
If you interpret it, the car does subtly tell you when it's unhappy, and unhappy equals very snappy.
There is little more invigorating than a roofless drive though the countryside on a crisp winter's day. Just be aware that the tyres do have Seasonally Affected Disorder before going nuts.
On the A10, the volume of traffic had dried the surface. Although very cold, the surface meant that after 10 miles, the car could be Vtecced (new verb) with impunity. On the shadier B roads, where the roads were damp and the water still little above zero, the change of feel was amazing.
The front wheels signified that "oo-er, I'm not sure about this" syndrome, followed by a disconnected feeling when the rears followed track. At normal (ish) speeds off-Vtec, it wasn't a problem. As the roads winded onto higher moors, where the weak sun had dried the surface and warmed though the misty chill, one could again safely summon the 6K surge. As the landscape anticlined into shady dampness, one felt the need to relent as the car began its symptoms of insecurity.
I better understand that the car's alleged handling problems are directly related to the contrast between its warm/dry phenomenal grip and its very average cold/damp abilities. I am certain many junior supercars have tyres that are much more competent in the latter conditions.
If you interpret it, the car does subtly tell you when it's unhappy, and unhappy equals very snappy.
There is little more invigorating than a roofless drive though the countryside on a crisp winter's day. Just be aware that the tyres do have Seasonally Affected Disorder before going nuts.
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Good post Nick:
I'm starting my 2nd Winter driving the S2000, and I think anyone who bought their car this year before the onset of winter, is going to find a drastic change in the handling in the cold and wet. Understanding the nature of the stock SO2's will go a long way to avoiding shunts this Winter!
I'm starting my 2nd Winter driving the S2000, and I think anyone who bought their car this year before the onset of winter, is going to find a drastic change in the handling in the cold and wet. Understanding the nature of the stock SO2's will go a long way to avoiding shunts this Winter!
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I'm not sure what we are expecting of the SO2's - to be GP slicks and also Country and Winter off roaders? I'm not one to defend Bridgstone - but what do we want?
If you include F1 as a supercar for tyre comparison - I think you often here drivers complaining in a similar when it is a cold weekend "could not get any heat into the tyres - no grip - track too cold"
I have not done any back to back comparison with the SO2's but I drove the other night on a mountain road for about 20Km's - probably about 3deg C max in dry conditions. - never got a "squeal" despite giving the rear tyres the good news with the right foot. After parking at the top of the mountain to admire the view - I got out and felt the tyres - they were still cold!! These are Yokohama DNA GPrix. In the summer time (35deg C) on the same road - the SO2's were like hot sticky glue!
So I would guess other tyres have similar issues in cold weather.
If you include F1 as a supercar for tyre comparison - I think you often here drivers complaining in a similar when it is a cold weekend "could not get any heat into the tyres - no grip - track too cold"
I have not done any back to back comparison with the SO2's but I drove the other night on a mountain road for about 20Km's - probably about 3deg C max in dry conditions. - never got a "squeal" despite giving the rear tyres the good news with the right foot. After parking at the top of the mountain to admire the view - I got out and felt the tyres - they were still cold!! These are Yokohama DNA GPrix. In the summer time (35deg C) on the same road - the SO2's were like hot sticky glue!
So I would guess other tyres have similar issues in cold weather.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nick Graves
[B]The front wheels signified that "oo-er, I'm not sure about this" syndrome, followed by a disconnected feeling when the rears followed track. At normal (ish) speeds off-Vtec, it wasn't a problem. As the roads winded onto higher moors, where the weak sun had dried the surface and warmed though the misty chill, one could again safely summon the 6K surge. As the landscape anticlined into shady dampness, one felt the need to relent as the car began its
[B]The front wheels signified that "oo-er, I'm not sure about this" syndrome, followed by a disconnected feeling when the rears followed track. At normal (ish) speeds off-Vtec, it wasn't a problem. As the roads winded onto higher moors, where the weak sun had dried the surface and warmed though the misty chill, one could again safely summon the 6K surge. As the landscape anticlined into shady dampness, one felt the need to relent as the car began its
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I took a chance on "anticlined".
I seem to remember that sinclined is a bit of land that is U shaped upside down, and anticlined is U shaped the right way round. Sort of rolling hills and rolling valleys.
But it is a long time since I did any geography, so I'm really not too sure!
I seem to remember that sinclined is a bit of land that is U shaped upside down, and anticlined is U shaped the right way round. Sort of rolling hills and rolling valleys.
But it is a long time since I did any geography, so I'm really not too sure!
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Leaving a muddy car park (turning right onto a dry dual carriage way) after playing football, I managed a full loss of back end first to left and then right. I had next to no revs as I was being cautious!
Still the guys behind me thought I was doing it on purpose to show off so I guess the near soiled underwear was worth it!
Still the guys behind me thought I was doing it on purpose to show off so I guess the near soiled underwear was worth it!
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Originally posted by Nick Graves
I took a chance on "anticlined".
I seem to remember that sinclined is a bit of land that is U shaped upside down, and anticlined is U shaped the right way round. Sort of rolling hills and rolling valleys.
But it is a long time since I did any geography, so I'm really not too sure!
I took a chance on "anticlined".
I seem to remember that sinclined is a bit of land that is U shaped upside down, and anticlined is U shaped the right way round. Sort of rolling hills and rolling valleys.
But it is a long time since I did any geography, so I'm really not too sure!
You're dead right with the nouns syncline and anticline. They are indeed U shaped folds in strata, syncline dipping like a U and anticline rising like an arch). Just never seen an equivalent adjective or verb before!
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