Makes sense, but I’ve read in multiple places that you lose steering feel, right? But it’ll be heavier?

Will require new wheels too

 

Look for road tests not arbitrary ratings. In this case we're looking for "feel" not pure performance. Tires tested by Tire Rack usually describe "feel" which is independent from the ratings.

UTQG ratings are done by the tire manufacturers, not some government testing facility, so comparisons across brands aren't totally valid. There is no rating for "grip" other than the "traction" rating. Extreme summer performance tires, that we know are the best performing such as the just released Bridgestone RE-71RZ (yes, my RE-71RS tires just became obsolete), only have a traction rating of A (2d tier) while 4 our of 5 "Ultra" (3d tier) tires have the top AA traction rating. Read the tests as subtle differences like "feel" are usually included.

A reminder: The three components of UTQG:

• Treadwear: A number indicating expected tread life; a tire with a 400 rating is expected to last twice as long as one with a 200 rating (relative to a control tire rated 100).
• Traction: Letter grades (AA, A, B, C) for stopping ability on wet pavement; AA is the best.
• Temperature: Letter grades (A, B, C) for resistance to heat buildup at high speeds; A is the best.

(Data is from Tire Rack. None of us have the ability to test more the the tires currently on our cars.)

-- Chuck

 

You arent giving up feel to a noticeable amount going square. And even if it changed a small amount the benefits far outweigh it. There is a reason almost every s2k you see on a track or on an autox course has a square setup. In general you want to maximize grip at all 4 corners and tune the cars behavior through suspension setup.

 

This may be the first place I have heard sticky and Indy 500's in the same sentence I guess compared to all seasons but are not even in the ballpark of what we call the "super 200s".

 

Hence why the all season part is important. We can't all be as cool as you running a square setup.

 

?? What did that comment have to running a square setup? Super 200 means RE71RS, A052, etc ... the super sticky 200's. Has zero to do with staggered or square lol.

Nothing making me "cool" about running a square setup, he asked about if a square setup would change the steering feel so I answered that question in the other reply.

 

Well aware of a 200 tw rating, I used to run Star Specs and Direzzas when I tracked my car. The Pirelli Corsas on my Giulia have a 60tw rating. There are a lot of people running the Indy's that make claim that they're sticky, that's all. I have PS4's on my S2000 and my 911, I don't find them all that good from a sticky point of view.

The square setup comment is in relation to everyone coming in and telling everyone to go square. It gets old and looks stupid imo unless on a dedicated track car.

 

people generally say that when people want the car to handle better, cause square makes the car drive extremely well and you can actually rotate your tires so makes as much sense on the street as on track. And how it looks is just your opinion. I find nothing any more visually appearing about staggered vs non staggered. And given the performance and functionality improvement (being able to rotate your tires like a normal car) of square setups staggered "looks" silly to me Being annoyed enough to be snarky about someone's recommendation to run a square vs staggered setup is kind of an odd thing though... just saying. I figure you must have some other issue with me that triggered that response since it makes literally no sense to have responded that way just from the recommendation given. Just trying to provide some input here.

And if I offended you about the Indy 500 thing.. it was a joke man. Sorry, in any other discussion group about the s2000 and handling, the Firehawks became kind of a joke like the R888s did because there were a number of people trying to push that they were the best tire on the track for a while, so it kind of became a running joke.

 

It's mainly in relation to all of the separate threads and requests from OP for more playfulness and tail happiness.
Inherently the AP2 is designed to understeer with the staggered wheel/tire setup, revised rear suspension subframe, and revised stiffer front sway and softer rear sway from the factory.

I feel like going to a lower grip compound without changing anything else will just highlight the understeering tendencies at a lower threshold with the front end losing grip with very little effort.

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/newreply...ply&p=25134029

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-mo...hlins-1223216/

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Not targeted directly at you, you and bullwings both going on about square set up as the end all be all. I'm allowed to be tired of reading something and not agreeing with it, just as you're allowed to not agree with me. Not a big deal at all.

I'm not in any other discussion groups, so bringing an inside joke from there to here doesn't translate to me. If this thread was in R&C I wouldn't be posting, but this is just wheel & tire, and as I've run quite a few tires on my car and other cars I comment when appropriate, or at least when I thought it was.