808_runwarrior

I have an 08 AP2 lowered on Swift SpecR with CR shocks. I recently installed a set of 17x9 +40 with 255/40 all around. My fenders are still not rolled. I wanted to get my alignment sorted out before I roll my fenders. Question is does anyone know what's the most camber I can get with the stock adjusters? My car is not tracked, but mainly used for street and some spirited driving. Please advise. Thanks.

Singh_snisen

Depends on how many inches dropped. Fronts u can get around -2.5 and rears u can get around -3.

s2000Junky

You can get a lot more rear camber then front on this car with stock adjusters. Just the way it was designed.

On a typical 1.75- 2" drop -2.5 up front is correct, but well over -3 in rear (hard to get less at that ride height) probably around -4+ but I never tested fully because anything more then -3 ...especially on the street is detrimental to performance and tire wear. But regardless of camber, you will need to roll your fenders no matter what with this fitment, so you might as well do it now before you F them up, THEN get the car aligned. There is 0 chance you will be able to make these wheels and tires not rub with just an alignment adjustment, talking from experience. Then go with the least amount of camber you can run in the rear which will be about -2.5 to -3, and go with the most you can get up front.

Manga_Spawn

You have really gone about this backwards. You should roll the fenders before the alignment since the amount of space you are working with will be way different with unrolled fenders. Those wheels and tires require rolled fenders and even a pull in the front. I ran 17x9 +43 in front with a 245 and needed to pull my fenders. You are really in danger of damaging your fenders especially being lower and having this aggressive of wheel and tire combo.

808_runwarrior

Thanks for the replies. I do understand that a roll is a must. I also did some reading here in the forums with mixed answers that front requires pull and some say it doesn't. I guess situations varies based on the suspension setup. After much thought, it makes sense that I should roll before alignment. Worst case is that I step down to a 245.

Mijae007

Yea buddy, gotta roll to play. To answer your question the max camber WITHOUT affecting toe would be about 2.5 up front and 2.2 in the rear...at least on my car. Anything past 2.2 in the rear it started to increase the toe angle

s2000Junky

The way the s2000 is designed, yes toe and camber directly influence one another, but they have separate adjusters that can adjust each separate to compensate for that influence up to a point, so typically its a non issue as long as the person performing the alignment is familiar enough with the s2000 to know this and adjust accordingly. The bigger issue fro the rear when lowered beyond a certain point is being able to add enough positive camber back in to be in a decent -2 range, and depending on where your toe is set, will influence where that max camber threshold is. More toe IN will increase negative camber in rear. However its common knowledge that factory toe IN is way to severe and needs to really be dialed out of spec range to be more effective, but unless the owner/adjuster knows this, optimum camber range in the positive direction will also be limited. Up front its a different ballgame with the addition of caster influence and the different threshold of camber range, which is much less.

starchland

So what should the order be to get the most negative front camber? maximize caster then camber? Assuming toe set to zero

s2000Junky

There is a point where you may have to give up one over the other depending on how much negative camber you want if sticking with stock adjusters. You can get more camber with less caster and vice versa. At 13.2" hub to fender I'm able to get 7 caster and -2.3 camber on stock adjusters. More caster will give you more dynamic camber with the added benefit of force feedback at the wheel, rather then it being more dead on center, so being a shared street/track car for me, its the best compromise I feel, rather then giving up caster and going for a little more static camber up front. its a balance you just have to find wile your making the adjustment. You can start with one or the other as a base and go from there I suppose.

toddxxx

I run the same spec rims and tyres on my 01. Will definitely need a roll and pull in the front.
On mine my stock adjusters maxed out at - 2.2 in the front and I just ran - 2 in the rear which it got easily.
https://trackbuilt.wordpress.com/2017/06/23/big-foot/
Pics on that link show how much the guard was pulled.