Originally Posted by steve695

Ill probabably go black, has a more serious look to it.
Car is mainly used on streets but I want to start taking it to the track next year.

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

Silver will be more durable than a flat black. Keep that in mind if you're having Tom & Jerry spoon on track tires every other weekend.

Originally Posted by steve695' timestamp='1310535141' post='20773678

What do you mean exactly by durable?

Originally Posted by steve695' timestamp='1310618033' post='20777778

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What do you mean exactly by durable?

Originally Posted by steve695

Will I rub on 17x9+60 with 255 tires all around with my car lowered to about a finger gap?

Can I achieve the required camber with the standard camber kit? I don't want to have to buy an aftermarket one.

My fenders are already rolled. (I don't know if this makes any difference with a +60 offset)

Will this setup improve the cars handling? I'm more concerned about handling than I am about looks.

And finally, if rubbing is going to be an issue, what can I do to resolve it?

Originally Posted by clarkster009

With this offset there is very little chance of rubbing, especially if your fenders are already rolled. Most people with the +63 have had rubbing on the inside with the steering at full lock. The extra 3mm might be enough to avoid this.

There are numerous people on the racing forum that strongly feel nonstaggered is the way to go. They usually balance things out with a stiffer front sway bar since it will be easir to get the back end to comme out.

Originally Posted by steve695

Yeah, I'm definitely going to run this set up.

It doesn't look like it's going to be a huge issue. I just get overly worried when I'm buying something from overseas, that it may not work when it arrives.

Yeah, I will get a front sway bar, they go for good prices on ebay.

If I feel oversteer is an issue, I may install a rear wing. However, I don't really like the look of wings on s2ks. The only ones I really like are the OEM lip spoilers, I doubt that these help with downforce though.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

Anyone stagger the 9s yet? Like a 60 up front and the 48 out back?

Originally Posted by Ddub-S2K

These fit perfect with no rubbing and no fender modification with 255s all around.

Originally Posted by clarkster009

^Nice to both. No rubbing on the +48 even on the track? Is there very much caliper clearance up front?

Any idea what wheels, size, and offset these are?

http://www.waypast210.com/Other/NASA..._8Vd4cbB-XL-LB

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

Any info on fitting 48s on all 4 would be appreciated. Curious as to what has to be done up front

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

look up fitment info on non staggered RPF1s. There is only 3mm difference in offset with PF01s sitting slightly more inboard. They are supposed to have more caliper clearance to boot hence the lack of a sunk face.

Basically, on the fronts run a 215 (if we are talking Star Specs et al) or 225 tire, run 2+ degrees of negative camber and manually push up/in the fender liner tabs a bit. Should have no problem with that.

On the rears, you will want a mild fender roll and a relocation of the tabs. If you dont, make sure youre close to stock ride height with 2.5 degrees of negative camber and 245 tires.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

i race the car, it will have 255's on all four. rears im not worried about ive got that under control. those that have seen both the 48 and 60, is there a difference in lip?

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m' timestamp='1311774643' post='20820055

ive *seen* both up close simultaneously and there does not appear to be a difference in lip, but I did not get a chance to measure. The +60 at least has a substantial lip whereas my 8 +50 has none.

255s on the front, Im sure you know already, require pulled fenders to avoid sucking off a fender liner and/or tab.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu' timestamp='1311775293' post='20820088

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ive *seen* both up close simultaneously and there does not appear to be a difference in lip, but I did not get a chance to measure. The +60 at least has a substantial lip whereas my 8 +50 has none.

255s on the front, Im sure you know already, require pulled fenders to avoid sucking off a fender liner and/or tab.

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m' timestamp='1311775416' post='20820099

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[quote name='prj3ctm4yh3m' timestamp='1311774643' post='20820055']
ive *seen* both up close simultaneously and there does not appear to be a difference in lip, but I did not get a chance to measure. The +60 at least has a substantial lip whereas my 8 +50 has none.

255s on the front, Im sure you know already, require pulled fenders to avoid sucking off a fender liner and/or tab.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

Just got off the phone with enkei international. There is no aesthetic difference between the 48 and 60. Its all in the backspacing. No change in lip

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

17x9 +60 with 255 star specs on all four

Originally Posted by deepbluejh

Personally the black just isn't doing it for me. The wheels are so dark you can't see the spokes clearly. It's almost as if the wheel spoke design doesn't matter at that point because you can barely notice it. That's a shame since it's such a nice looking wheel. The silver looks much better, IMO.

I'd love a set of solid white PF01Rs for my Laguna blue. They have one, but it has a machined lip - a look I'm not a big fan of.

Originally Posted by RedCelica' timestamp='1312555527' post='20850505

full car shot?

Originally Posted by steve695' timestamp='1312615170' post='20853139

Only in photos.

In real life, they honestly look freakin sweet!

My set arrived last week and I got the tyres fitted yesterday and then put them on. They look great on Silverstone. the +60 offset sits perfectly, only a little under flush with the guards.

Oh and just incase this info is any help to anyone:
I'm running 17x9+60 all aroud with 245 tyres all around and I do not rub, even on full lock. I am stock height at the moment but have coilovers being installed next week and will be going pretty low, I will report back.

Originally Posted by Ddub-S2K

Sorry about not getting you more photos like you had asked. I am glad to hear you went with these...I am sure you are as happy with them as I am.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/891279-my-dd-s2k/

my pics

Originally Posted by Scotty2H

Well, I read the thread and really like the wheels. I will not do any fender rolling, pulling or tab relocation. I just want a set of wheels to put on the car.

It appears that the 17x9" +60 will fit with 255 all around with no rubbing on a mild drop. Which is what I am going for. I just want to confirm before ordering.

Sorry if it seems like a redundant question. Measure twice, cut once right.

Thanks for the help!

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m' timestamp='1313866258' post='20897516

Very Nice! Heres a few more of mine for compare/contrast purposes on a silverstone. -- Its funny how versatile the wheel is. In silver it works on a classic droptop OEM-esque car, and in Black it works really well on a Spoon HT togue monster.

Silverstone AP2 V1
Shine ASM Front Bumper
Koni/GCs
8/9 +48/+60 Sparkle Silver

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

I wanted to keep a staggered width (stock sways and relatively equal spring rates), and I also wanted something in the rear that would clear larger than a 255 without fender problems on no more than 2.5 degrees of negative camber. I also think the higher offset seems to handle a little better--roll center and all that. +48 is the highest they make in the 8 inch.

Originally Posted by RedCelica

What size tire are you running in the front?

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

225/45. But in the Sumitomo its seriously oversized. More like a 235.

Originally Posted by steve695

I just had my coilovers installed and my s is sitting pretty damn low now, on Black PF01's.

It looks great, but I am now getting vibration under acceleration through the car. it wasn't doing this before I lowered it.

Anyone else had this problem? How do you fix it?

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

axle spacers, not wheel spacers. its a 15 minute install and the parts are cheap as hell.

Originally Posted by steve695' timestamp='1314048608' post='20902844

oh ok cool, so they aren't illegal or dangerous?

Thanks man!

Originally Posted by hatrickstu' timestamp='1314104269' post='20904556

[quote name='steve695' timestamp='1314048608' post='20902844']
oh ok cool, so they aren't illegal or dangerous?

Thanks man!

Originally Posted by nmrado

They do not move the axle or change the axle angle. They move the inner CV buckets so that the three inner CV bearings are contacting fresh material inside of the buckets. Over time, the CV buckets wear and divots are formed in the contact surfaces. When you lower the chassis, the axle position within the buckets changes due to the angle change. The CV bearings roll over the lip of the divots and cause the vibration you feel. By adding spacers (or swapping buckets side-to-side, which is free), you make the CV bearings contact fresh material inside the CV buckets. No more rolling over the lip of the divots and no more vibration.

Originally Posted by the_KiLLaBEE

Just installed mine last night in black. 17x8 50 in front, and 17x9 60 in back and stock tire sizes. I love them on my Seb silver. Ill try to put pics soon

Originally Posted by 4bangr-604

i really like the new style of these wheels. i want to pick some up, was thinking about non-staggered after reading some other topics and think that the grip would be just crazy with 255 all round. if i went for a staggered set up with 17x8/17x9 what tire set up would be best 225/255 or 235/255? tire would be star specs. but i am seriously considering 17x9 all round with 255's, guess that would need the +60 offset or can you run them with +60(f)/+48(r) with little fender mods?. i use my car as my DD which is the better choice? As for colour choice i was thinking white with machine/lip on my BB not sure about the machine lip but worst case just get them powder coated if its a problem.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu

there is not point in doing the +48's IMO. the outer face does not change in appearance (as would be the case with the rpf1). you will not have fitment problems unless you are low and have soft suspension with the 17x9's and 255's with the +60.

Originally Posted by //steve\\

^Disagree. There is a look aspect to it. Yes the wheel face looks the same and you get no more lip but the car will look much nicer with the wheels sitting a lot more flush to the fenders. And this size is by no means pushing it as far as fitment goes.

I need to find someone to trade me a set of the 9 +48s for my 9 +45 rpf1s

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m' timestamp='1314669032' post='20925800

215/245s with the star specs is pretty flipping big on a 8/9.

Originally Posted by hatrickstu' timestamp='1314717587' post='20927297

I agree the +48 may look a TAD better out back. but with a 255 even with 3* of camber out back on mine it looks damn good, and thats coming from a +45 rpf1 previously. not having to mess with fenders being very low is a nice perk

Originally Posted by steve695

I have 17x9+60 and it sits nicely.

It isn't "hellaflush" but it does not look sunken in at all. It looks really good in my opinion.

Not to mention, I have no rubbing and I'm sitting pretty low.

17x9+60 is practical and looks fine, and you don't need to run as much camber. I'm only running 1.5 up back and 1 up front.

Originally Posted by 4bangr-604

^ are you running 17x9 on all corners? have any shots from behind. cause i want to see a bit of rubber sticking out for that aggressive look . im running on stock wheels/tires lowered to a finger gab with a spring rate of 13 all round. think there will be any issues rubbing with a +60 17x9 and no roll in the rear? i would probably get the 17x8 up front not sure on offset

Originally Posted by steve695' timestamp='1314915784' post='20936121

17x9 on all 4's, a little above a finger gap.

I will try and get some behind shots later

Originally Posted by 4bangr-604

man you car is clean. love the spoon top, i always wanted one. your stance does look



thanks behind shot would really help.


but i guess i could just run a 10mm spacer or so if the stance isn't up to my expectations
really liking the 17x9 all round maybe i should....

Originally Posted by Ned M

I have the 17x8 / 17x9 staggered combination, using stock CR tire sizes 215 front / 255 rear. Absolutley no hint of rubbing during two track events and daily driving. My fenders aren't rolled. There's still room to go to a 225 or maybe a 235 section front tire. I don't think I'd try anything wider in the back without rolling the fender. Purchased from Tire Rack.

Originally Posted by Ned M

What offset?

I'm running 255s on all corners

Originally Posted by kamilio

tire rack only has pf01 and not pf01r nor pf01ss. I have 215/45/r17 in front and 245/40/r17 in the back. I want a lip in front and back. Can I get a lip with pf01? Or where can I find wheels like the pf01r to buy

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

WUT. to get a lip you have to go with 9s up front. i dont think the suffix letters (R/SS) necessarily transfer over accurately to the tirerack inventory. but everyone carries the same stuff and all pf01s in a given size have the same dimensions.

Originally Posted by kamilio

will there be a problem fitting the 17x9 in front on a 215 tire? I want a lip on my car but I am scared the 17x9 will be too wide for the front and for the 215 tire, please let me know what you all think. Plus an offset of 60 should be good ?

Originally Posted by RedCelica

I'd go 235s on the front.

Originally Posted by steve695

Here are a few pics on the car:
17x9+60 with 245/45/17 tyres

-3 degrees of camber in the rear and I think there is 2.5 in the front.







There is a bit of "gap", so it's not "hellaflush" but overall it's a nice fit and looks good without looking ridiculous.