Another Baby Driven Car Decision
#21
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Hmmm. Tough spot to be in. I guess to answer the question about the S2000 first, does not getting to drive the S2000 bother you? I have friends who kept their S2000s after having kids, and I think to them, they still enjoy having them, even if they don't get to go out in them that much. They enjoy working on them, washing them and keeping them looking nice, and the kids even enjoy spending time with dad working on the car (best way to raise car enthusiasts, right!?). For these guys selling their S2000 wasn't even an option. And honestly, there isn't a better car to keep, as the values on S2000s seem to have hit the bottom of their depreciation curve and S2000s are pretty cheap to keep going (Honda Reliability!) If you enjoy having it and can deal with not getting to drive it as much, you should probably keep it (assuming parking, cost, etc are not prohibitive factors).
Having said that, I really enjoy driving, and for me, keeping a car that I don't drive has never been an enjoyable prospect. I don't really have the space for it, I don't really enjoy the cleaning and upkeep the way some people do. Also, I would rather drive something fun everyday than drive something boring during the week and something fun on the weekends. But there are no wrong ways to do it. If having a fun car for the weekend makes more sense to you, that's what you should do. Will getting the boy in and out of the car seat in the back of a coupe be a chore? Probably, but if it's just for fun, it's probably no big deal. BUT DEFINITELY check to make sure the car will work with your carseat. I was suprised at how many back seats (I was looking exclusively at cars with 4/5 doors) did NOT comfortably fit a rear facing kid seat.
If you can live without the convertible, you could definitely combine your IS300 and S2000 into one fun daily driver, something with 4 doors that it easy to get him in and out of. These include:
Subaru WRX/STI
VW GTI/R
Focus ST/RS
There are probably a number of number of sports sedans that would work too, I just don't find them to be nearly as frisky as the hot hatch options. YMMV
Having said that, I really enjoy driving, and for me, keeping a car that I don't drive has never been an enjoyable prospect. I don't really have the space for it, I don't really enjoy the cleaning and upkeep the way some people do. Also, I would rather drive something fun everyday than drive something boring during the week and something fun on the weekends. But there are no wrong ways to do it. If having a fun car for the weekend makes more sense to you, that's what you should do. Will getting the boy in and out of the car seat in the back of a coupe be a chore? Probably, but if it's just for fun, it's probably no big deal. BUT DEFINITELY check to make sure the car will work with your carseat. I was suprised at how many back seats (I was looking exclusively at cars with 4/5 doors) did NOT comfortably fit a rear facing kid seat.
If you can live without the convertible, you could definitely combine your IS300 and S2000 into one fun daily driver, something with 4 doors that it easy to get him in and out of. These include:
Subaru WRX/STI
VW GTI/R
Focus ST/RS
There are probably a number of number of sports sedans that would work too, I just don't find them to be nearly as frisky as the hot hatch options. YMMV
Last edited by Marioshi; 11-07-2016 at 09:29 AM.
#22
Response on your WRX S3 question:
I havent driven the S3 yet so no experience there.
WRX/STi: I've driven several 2015+ WRX and one 2016 Sti:
The WRX is a good daily driver, its a sporty sedan that is quick. It can be as boring or fun as you want it to be.
The STi while much different than the S2000 has some things in common with the S IMO. The STi is wonderful and makes perfect sense WHEN you are driving it spiritedly. The clutch, the stock tune, the fast revs, the whole package really just acts like it wants to be raced all the time. The clutch is pretty grabby, the throttle is super sensitive, the suspension is stiff. It's great when you're on your favorite backroad. The car handles wonderfully, steering rack is quick, shifts are short and direct, the turbo is a little laggy but it really just adds to the drama of driving the car which I really liked. The downside is the car is kind of extreme to daily drive. Not something I'd want to drive downtown with or sit in traffic with either, just like the S. The S is great when you're flying down your favorite road, not so much trying to daily drive it IMO.
Personally, I am probably going with a loaded WRX for a few years. Maybe the S3 once I test drive it it may win me over.
Imagine yourself in the pouring down rain with the door open to a coupe trying to contort yourself getting the kid out of the car. You both will be miserable after that experience. Also coupes usually have long doors, do you have room in your garage to have the door fully swung open to get yourself and child in the car? I can't reiterate enough how much a coupe is just not worth the hassle if you're going to take the kids in it every day. Finally, read this article:
2013 Ford Mustang GT: Will It Baby?
Scroll down and see what this guy had to go through in a fairly roomy Mustang coupe... and do note that was for a forward facing carseat. The rear facing will be 10x worse.
I havent driven the S3 yet so no experience there.
WRX/STi: I've driven several 2015+ WRX and one 2016 Sti:
The WRX is a good daily driver, its a sporty sedan that is quick. It can be as boring or fun as you want it to be.
The STi while much different than the S2000 has some things in common with the S IMO. The STi is wonderful and makes perfect sense WHEN you are driving it spiritedly. The clutch, the stock tune, the fast revs, the whole package really just acts like it wants to be raced all the time. The clutch is pretty grabby, the throttle is super sensitive, the suspension is stiff. It's great when you're on your favorite backroad. The car handles wonderfully, steering rack is quick, shifts are short and direct, the turbo is a little laggy but it really just adds to the drama of driving the car which I really liked. The downside is the car is kind of extreme to daily drive. Not something I'd want to drive downtown with or sit in traffic with either, just like the S. The S is great when you're flying down your favorite road, not so much trying to daily drive it IMO.
Personally, I am probably going with a loaded WRX for a few years. Maybe the S3 once I test drive it it may win me over.
Imagine yourself in the pouring down rain with the door open to a coupe trying to contort yourself getting the kid out of the car. You both will be miserable after that experience. Also coupes usually have long doors, do you have room in your garage to have the door fully swung open to get yourself and child in the car? I can't reiterate enough how much a coupe is just not worth the hassle if you're going to take the kids in it every day. Finally, read this article:
2013 Ford Mustang GT: Will It Baby?
Scroll down and see what this guy had to go through in a fairly roomy Mustang coupe... and do note that was for a forward facing carseat. The rear facing will be 10x worse.
#23
A subi will rattle pretty quickly and turbo lag on STI is bad. Cabin size is good.
if I was to do it again I would get a Jeep SRT for daily and keep a sports car. Jeep has some serious go, will stop and corner like you wouldn't believe. Awd for snow and good crash rating:
if I was to do it again I would get a Jeep SRT for daily and keep a sports car. Jeep has some serious go, will stop and corner like you wouldn't believe. Awd for snow and good crash rating:
#24
Wait...so you have a Lexus IS and an S2000, and you're thinking of getting rid of the S2000 for another sedan? Wouldn't you be a lot happier with the S2000 to take out on the weekend, and something larger as a daily/baby hauler? I'm fully unqualified to offer baby advice, being married, nearly 40, and childless-by-choice, but I would imagine a taller CUV/SUV would be significantly easier to load/unload a baby in the backseat. In addition to two sports cars (Cayman and S2000), we have a Mazda CX-5 as our third vehicle, and I find I'm perfectly happy tutting along in that one. New ones start in the $25k range...
#25
I drove my 2008 IS-F with rear facing car seats w/ no issue; not sure in glancing through if that would be an option. It's tough to find 4-door fun cars (I had a 2006 STI before the IS-F) but maybe also look if you get lucky finding a good deal on something like CTS-V or maybe even a Charger SRT8? Once I hit 90k miles, and both the kids were in front facing seats, I switched it for a 2015 Mustang GT (wanted to keep the power and couldn't afford much out of pocket w/ trade) and don't mind the 2-door aspect even with 2 full size carseats in the back.
Good luck in your decision, though I will say the 128/135 will be TIGHT if the seats even fit in the back.
Good luck in your decision, though I will say the 128/135 will be TIGHT if the seats even fit in the back.
#26
Hmmm. Tough spot to be in. I guess to answer the question about the S2000 first, does not getting to drive the S2000 bother you? I would rather drive something fun everyday than drive something boring during the week and something fun on the weekends. BUT DEFINITELY check to make sure the car will work with your carseat. I was suprised at how many back seats (I was looking exclusively at cars with 4/5 doors) did NOT comfortably fit a rear facing kid seat. If you can live without the convertible, you could definitely combine your IS300 and S2000 into one fun daily driver, something with 4 doors that it easy to get him in and out of. These include:
Subaru WRX/STI
VW GTI/R
Focus ST/RS
Subaru WRX/STI
VW GTI/R
Focus ST/RS
#27
The STi while much different than the S2000 has some things in common with the S IMO. The STi is wonderful and makes perfect sense WHEN you are driving it spiritedly. The clutch, the stock tune, the fast revs, the whole package really just acts like it wants to be raced all the time. The clutch is pretty grabby, the throttle is super sensitive, the suspension is stiff. It's great when you're on your favorite backroad. The car handles wonderfully, steering rack is quick, shifts are short and direct, the turbo is a little laggy but it really just adds to the drama of driving the car which I really liked. The downside is the car is kind of extreme to daily drive. Not something I'd want to drive downtown with or sit in traffic with either, just like the S. The S is great when you're flying down your favorite road, not so much trying to daily drive it IMO.
Imagine yourself in the pouring down rain with the door open to a coupe trying to contort yourself getting the kid out of the car. You both will be miserable after that experience. Also coupes usually have long doors, do you have room in your garage to have the door fully swung open to get yourself and child in the car? I can't reiterate enough how much a coupe is just not worth the hassle if you're going to take the kids in it every day. Finally, read this article:
2013 Ford Mustang GT: Will It Baby?
Scroll down and see what this guy had to go through in a fairly roomy Mustang coupe... and do note that was for a forward facing carseat. The rear facing will be 10x worse.
Imagine yourself in the pouring down rain with the door open to a coupe trying to contort yourself getting the kid out of the car. You both will be miserable after that experience. Also coupes usually have long doors, do you have room in your garage to have the door fully swung open to get yourself and child in the car? I can't reiterate enough how much a coupe is just not worth the hassle if you're going to take the kids in it every day. Finally, read this article:
2013 Ford Mustang GT: Will It Baby?
Scroll down and see what this guy had to go through in a fairly roomy Mustang coupe... and do note that was for a forward facing carseat. The rear facing will be 10x worse.
#28
Wait...so you have a Lexus IS and an S2000, and you're thinking of getting rid of the S2000 for another sedan? Wouldn't you be a lot happier with the S2000 to take out on the weekend, and something larger as a daily/baby hauler? We have a Mazda CX-5 as our third vehicle, and I find I'm perfectly happy tutting along in that one. New ones start in the $25k range...
Last edited by ndfan; 11-08-2016 at 10:27 AM.
#29
I drove my 2008 IS-F with rear facing car seats w/ no issue; not sure in glancing through if that would be an option. It's tough to find 4-door fun cars (I had a 2006 STI before the IS-F) but maybe also look if you get lucky finding a good deal on something like CTS-V or maybe even a Charger SRT8? Once I hit 90k miles, and both the kids were in front facing seats, I switched it for a 2015 Mustang GT (wanted to keep the power and couldn't afford much out of pocket w/ trade) and don't mind the 2-door aspect even with 2 full size carseats in the back.
Good luck in your decision, though I will say the 128/135 will be TIGHT if the seats even fit in the back.
Good luck in your decision, though I will say the 128/135 will be TIGHT if the seats even fit in the back.
#30
I have considered IS-Fs, and I think that it might be a good option if I decide to get rid of both the IS300 and S2000. Ultimately, I have found sporty 4-door cars (like the IS-F, CTS-V, Charger SRT) to be less nimble than I prefer. I tend to prefer lighter "momentum" cars, though I think we're finding those are fairly incompatible with baby seats! Plus, I don't think any of the aforementioned sedans would fit in my garage, which would be fine if I got one with exterior flaws (like my IS300 currently does).