Project Instant Torque...Dynos and info inside!
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Project Instant Torque...Dynos and info inside!
Hello all just got my winter project tuned today by Jeff Evans! I have been planning/gathering/saving for parts for nearly 3 years for this setup and its finally complete and I am so happy not only with how the car is running and numbers it made, but Jeff Evans is top notch knows his stuff. A very down to earth guy to deal with and talk to, he answered all my little questions emailing back and forth very quickly and was very informative while the car was being tuned, highly recommended!
Now thats all out of the way here we go!
The setup...
~~~Engine~~~
Inline Pro 2.4 Stroker
Inline Pro 2.5x Head
9.5:1 Compression
AP2 Cams
4 Bar Map Sensor
~~~Supercharger~~~
SOT Kit Mp62 Positive Displacement (rare)
Steigmeir Built and Ported
Moss Outlet Manifold
150mm Pulley ( overspinning the blower )
Upgraded full front mount heat exchanger
35% Larger K&N filter ( slightly relocated )
~~~Water/Meth Kit~~~
Snow Performance Stage 3 Kit
Stage 3 Progressive controller (4psi start 7psi all in)
Saftey Flow Module
Dual Nozzles ( Pre blower 650cc Post 375cc ) 15GPH
75% Meth - 25% Water
~~~Clutch~~~
Clutchmasters Stage 3.5
Clutchmasters 13lb Flywheel
~~~Fuel System~~~
Aem Ems Series 2
Aem 320 ( SoS kit rewire )
Id 1000's
Aem Fpr ( 50psi base )
Aem Fuel Rail
Jegs Fuel Gauge
~~~Electronics/Ecu~~~
Aem Ems Series 2
Innovate 2 in 1 Wideband/Boost gauge
Innovate 2 in 1 Oil Pressure/Oil Temp
~~~Exhaust~~~
Oem Piping/Header
Header Armor Blanket ( keep blower cooler )
Testpipe
N1 muffler swap
~~~Suspension/Tires~~~
Tein Lowering Springs
Oem Ap1 Wheels
BF Goodwich Sport Comp 2 Tires 225/255 50 sidewalls
382whp-292tq !!!
DYNO PULL VIDEO
MY S2K VS BUILT WRX HATCH VIDEO
~~~Final Thoughts~~~
I have desired this style of supercharger since it was first released back in 2008 but as quickly as it came onto the market it was gone after production stopped. I was very lucky and fortunate to purchase this kit 3 years ago as I have not seen another one for sale here on the forum or anywhere else since then.
My goal is/was 400whp on just the sc although as most of us in the know the PD style blower is not something to be chasing peak numbers with its all about the curve. When I was tuned it was 88 degrees out and 85% humidity although the water meth sort of negates the weather, the weather conditions were not the ideal. Jeff had mentioned if this was winter Id be seeing another 10-20whp. And I believe IMO theres room for efficiency improvement on the progressive delivery of the water meth.
This ENTIRE setup was meant to have a 25-50 shot of nitrous pre blower on top of everything I already have which is part of the reason for the 9.5:1 compression. I opted to hold off on the nitrous for now as I want to drive and enjoy my car this summer as I hardly drove the past year because of the oem clutch going out.
Now thats all out of the way here we go!
The setup...
~~~Engine~~~
Inline Pro 2.4 Stroker
Inline Pro 2.5x Head
9.5:1 Compression
AP2 Cams
4 Bar Map Sensor
~~~Supercharger~~~
SOT Kit Mp62 Positive Displacement (rare)
Steigmeir Built and Ported
Moss Outlet Manifold
150mm Pulley ( overspinning the blower )
Upgraded full front mount heat exchanger
35% Larger K&N filter ( slightly relocated )
~~~Water/Meth Kit~~~
Snow Performance Stage 3 Kit
Stage 3 Progressive controller (4psi start 7psi all in)
Saftey Flow Module
Dual Nozzles ( Pre blower 650cc Post 375cc ) 15GPH
75% Meth - 25% Water
~~~Clutch~~~
Clutchmasters Stage 3.5
Clutchmasters 13lb Flywheel
~~~Fuel System~~~
Aem Ems Series 2
Aem 320 ( SoS kit rewire )
Id 1000's
Aem Fpr ( 50psi base )
Aem Fuel Rail
Jegs Fuel Gauge
~~~Electronics/Ecu~~~
Aem Ems Series 2
Innovate 2 in 1 Wideband/Boost gauge
Innovate 2 in 1 Oil Pressure/Oil Temp
~~~Exhaust~~~
Oem Piping/Header
Header Armor Blanket ( keep blower cooler )
Testpipe
N1 muffler swap
~~~Suspension/Tires~~~
Tein Lowering Springs
Oem Ap1 Wheels
BF Goodwich Sport Comp 2 Tires 225/255 50 sidewalls
382whp-292tq !!!
DYNO PULL VIDEO
MY S2K VS BUILT WRX HATCH VIDEO
~~~Final Thoughts~~~
I have desired this style of supercharger since it was first released back in 2008 but as quickly as it came onto the market it was gone after production stopped. I was very lucky and fortunate to purchase this kit 3 years ago as I have not seen another one for sale here on the forum or anywhere else since then.
My goal is/was 400whp on just the sc although as most of us in the know the PD style blower is not something to be chasing peak numbers with its all about the curve. When I was tuned it was 88 degrees out and 85% humidity although the water meth sort of negates the weather, the weather conditions were not the ideal. Jeff had mentioned if this was winter Id be seeing another 10-20whp. And I believe IMO theres room for efficiency improvement on the progressive delivery of the water meth.
This ENTIRE setup was meant to have a 25-50 shot of nitrous pre blower on top of everything I already have which is part of the reason for the 9.5:1 compression. I opted to hold off on the nitrous for now as I want to drive and enjoy my car this summer as I hardly drove the past year because of the oem clutch going out.
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Its all about that water meth bro Almost doesn't matter what the ambient temps are, its the great equalizer. Loved that stuff when i was boosted. Congrats, have fun!
Nice knowing there is an integral piece on that motor that came off one of mine too
Nice knowing there is an integral piece on that motor that came off one of mine too
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Ahh yeah! 200lb trq at less then 2500rpm is nuts. Its not totally apples to apples this being a 2.4, but a 380whp centrifugal F22 puts down roughly 235trq average, so 45lb difference is pretty substantial in blower type and .2 more stroke, but more then that is how broad across the rpm range that trq curve is, which is really the bigger impact.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
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Ahh yeah! 200lb trq at less then 2500rpm is nuts. Its not totally apples to apples this being a 2.4, but a 380whp centrifugal F22 puts down roughly 235trq average, so 45lb difference is pretty substantial in blower type and .2 more stroke, but more then that is how broad across the rpm range that trq curve is, which is really the bigger impact.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
Which do you think would be faster?
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1468599101' post='24017271
Ahh yeah! 200lb trq at less then 2500rpm is nuts. Its not totally apples to apples this being a 2.4, but a 380whp centrifugal F22 puts down roughly 235trq average, so 45lb difference is pretty substantial in blower type and .2 more stroke, but more then that is how broad across the rpm range that trq curve is, which is really the bigger impact.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
A typical centrifugal sc with an f22 at 450whp puts down about 280trq.
Which do you think would be faster?
Well you would have the advantage 0-60mph if you could control wheel spin, and your car is going to require less effort to stay in the powerband, which is also an advantage in the long run for being consistent on a road course setting. Its a toss up on freeway pulls to a point, but eventually he will start to pull on you as you start running into aerodynamic forces and trq and weight play less a roll, but id say that wont come into play until you get over 100mph. All around stop light to stop light action and point and shoot out of the canyons, your car should dominate though, assuming both you guys know how to capitalize on the performance of your cars. Driver is always a curve ball.
An easy general way to examine the power curve comparisons between cars is to consider the environment ie road course or drag racing and the speeds/distance etc. And just focus on the rpm range forward that is being used during max acceleration between each gear. So for our car say 6k rpm and up for example, anything before that in a drag race is moot. Then start comparing the rough averages of trq and hp within that rpm range and the weight of the car (same in your case) and you can get a pretty good idea what your up against. Its going to come down to who has more power over time really.
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My BUDGET with everything listed above AND AND AND the cost of the car was $15k, that seems REALLY low right your thinking how the hell did he do that?!? I did go over budget at bit at right at $16k with tuning.
02 S2k rebuilt title 80k ( 92k now ) - $6,500
Sale of original F20c + $2,350
Sale of spare engine I parted out, various other extra parts I had laying around + $2,000
I got a good deal on the stroker used from an ILP employee with 5k miles on it. If I had built it brand new and I DO have all receipts it would be a $9k + bill with the ILP Stage 3 Cams that came with it that I didnt use so that lowered the cost another $1k. Also got a good deal the SC kit. Everything else was used I bought very little brand new but the meth kit, oem engine mounts, clutch, gauges, and random hardware.