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#1 User is offline   OhioRacer 

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 08:23 PM

The information presented in this document has been gleaned from several posts on the web site www.s2ki.com.
1. Change the oil and filter, unless you are still within the “break-in” period (pre-3,750 or 7,500 miles). Let the engine run for a while.
2. Fill the gas tank to the top. You want the smallest air gap in the tank because temperature changes will cause condensation in there. The consensus seems to be that fuel stabilizers are NOT necessary.
3. Wash and detail the car including treating the inside vinyl and leather. Drive the car to remove any standing water that gets trapped in the nooks and crannies and to remove moisture in the exhaust and engine.
4. Run the air conditioner for about 10-15 minutes on the last drive to ensure all the moving parts get the lubricant circulated so the seals don’t dry out.
5. Clean out the interior really well, leaving nothing behind. Check all small compartments, ashtray, etc. Mice getting into the car can eat wires, vinyl, leather, carpet, etc.
6. Apply a silicone spray lubricant to door and trunk seals to minimize sticking.
7. Stuff a rag into the airbox intake to keep mice out.
8. Stuff a rag into the end of the tail pipes to keep mice out.
9. For those who are paranoid about mice, place several mothballs around the interior, placing them on small paper plates so they are not in contact with the car. Place several mouse traps around the car, bait them with peanut butter.
10. Spray lightly a bit of Febreeze (fabric deodorizer) on both floor mats.
11. Make sure the window wash fluid is the anti-freeze kind and not straight water.
12. Check the anti-freeze and adjust if needed.
13. Top off any other fluids under the hood.
14. Keep the CV joints in good shape by keeping the CV boots in good shape. When stored, the boots do not go through a regular routine of being flexed and this may cause them to develop a sort of “memory” such that when you drive it in spring, it may aggravate the start of cracking. You might want to consider going under there and liberally using some “rubber safe” silicone spray and get those (there are 4 on the rear half shafts) babies dripping wet with silicone.
15. Depending on how long you plan to store the car (more than a couple of months), you might also look into an “oil fog spray”. They sell these in auto supply stores. It is an oil mist that comes in a spray can, specially marketed for this application. Just before you put the car to bed, after your last drive, you take off the intake hose to expose the throttle body. You then spray this mist into the throttle body till the car begins to run a bit rough. Stop the spray and immediately shut the car off, replace the intake hose. This will keep a coat of oil film on all the internal engine parts so that the first start of next season will be less metal-to-metal wear.
16. Open up the battery cells and fill up with distilled water, NOT tap water. Tap water contains impurities that can shorten the life of batteries.
17. Pump the tires to about 45PSI to avoid flat-spotting. Place a piece of scrap carpet or foam insulation under each tire while parked.
18. Support the wiper blade arms with a rag to help maintain the rubber.
19. Put the transmission in reverse.
20. Roll the car ¼ to ½ turn 3 to 4 times per winter to ensure the rotors don’t stick to the pads. Work the pedals.
21. Keep windows down half way to keep condensation and moisture from collecting in the car. Do NOT set the ventilation selector to “re-circulate”. Leaving it selected to “vent/floor” will allow for air to expand and contract in and out of the car.
22. Keep the parking brake off to avoid having the pads rust to the rotors.
23. Sweep the garage floor and lay down a plastic tarp or park the car on linoleum. Concrete can get damp in the winter and if the car sits on linoleum or a tarp it will help to keep most of the moisture away from the car so the underbody does not collect condensation.
24. Disconnect the battery. Some recommend removal of the battery and taking it into the warmth of the heated house. Removing it will completely prevent electrolysis between the thousands of spots in your electrical system where it could occur. If you remove it, do not store it on concrete. Make sure you have the stereo code before unhooking the battery! Buy a “battery tender” which differs from a “trickle charger” in that it knows (has a chip in it) when the battery is fully charged and thus turns itself off. Two sources are: (http://www.griotsgar....jsp?&SKU=77655 ) (http://canadianbiker.com/tender.html )
25. Put a breathable car cover on.
26. DO NOT start the car unless you are going to drive it. When the car sits, all the oil drains into the oil pan. Starting the car is the hardest thing on the engine. Doing it once in the spring is better than several times throughout the winter.
27. You may want to call your insurance agent to suspend some of your insurance while the car sits in the garage. Rumor has it, if we have a nice day in the middle of winter and you want to take it for a drive you can call your agent and get coverage restored for the day. Call your agent to make sure this is an option with your policy first!
28. In the spring, start it up and let it idle until it's almost warmed up before driving it anywhere and then drive it easy for a couple of miles so your transmission, differential & CV joints can get a good lube "workout".
29. Remove the CD from the CD player. If you have a CD changer, remove the CD magazine.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 10:24 PM

Hi,

A little bit off the subject. I live in the Northeast and plan to drive my S once in a while. If I drive my S like once every two weeks, do you think I will be doing more harm to the engine than storing it? :hello:
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Posted 07 November 2004 - 10:41 PM

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Hi,

A little bit off the subject. I live in the Northeast and plan to drive my S once in a while. If I drive my S like once every two weeks, do you think I will be doing more harm to the engine than storing it? :hello:

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Hey Thomas :hello: How'd you get over here? Yeah, I know, I told you about this list. Oh well. My opinion is that starting your car once every week is ok, but once ever two weeks or longer is not. I'll see if others agree or not. It has to do with how fast the oil drains form your engine bearings.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 11:29 PM

When I store mine, it does not get started until it comes out of storage.

I figure the "dry" start happening only once is better than every couple of weeks....

BTW, when I do take it out of storage it fires up immediately :), no labouring, no metal on metal noises....damn Hondas ;).....
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Posted 07 November 2004 - 11:30 PM

Oh and my storage is from Nov - April :banghead:...

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 08:57 AM

Carmen, well done. I modified your list slightly, in order & content, and made it into a checklist format for my use:

WINTER STORAGE CHECKLIST
last updated November 8, 2004

Date Stored & Insurance Change________________ Milage ________________

Date Last Moved or Started & run for at least 30 Minutes ________________

Date Battery Trickled Charged, try to do monthly ________________

❏ Change the oil and filter, unless you are still within the
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Posted 08 November 2004 - 10:11 AM

^ :thumbup:

Re: the queston above. I think starting it every 2 weeks will be bad for the motor.

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 10:37 AM

Impressive post, Carmen/Dave! :thumbup:

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 05:31 PM

Long ago I had my hand in the creation of this list, and because of that I want to go on record as changing my mind on the mothballs thing inside the cabin. Although I'm happy my CRX-SiR no longer smells like a dead mouse on those really hot & humid summer days, I'm not sure if the eye watering smell of mothballs is better...

In addition, unless I read too fast and missed it, I would like to mention the fact that I put my soft-top up, but I do not latch it. I see no need to have the material stretched for 5 months when it can be in a relaxed position.



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Posted 08 November 2004 - 08:09 PM

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Long ago I had my hand in the creation of this list, and because of that I want to go on record as changing my mind on the mothballs thing inside the cabin. Although I'm happy my CRX-SiR no longer smells like a dead mouse on those really hot & humid summer days, I'm not sure if the eye watering smell of mothballs is better...

In addition, unless I read too fast and missed it, I would like to mention the fact that I put my soft-top up, but I do not latch it. I see no need to have the material stretched for 5 months when it can be in a relaxed position.

:iagree: I don't do the mothballs either Doug and I too keep the top up but unlatched. When I complied the list I complied it from various sources on s2ki, including you. So I figured I'd leave that in and people can make up there own mind based on their "mouse situation".

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 10:06 PM

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❏ Pump the tires to about 45PSI to avoid flat-spotting. Place a piece of scrap carpet or foam insulation under each tire while parked.

❏ Concrete can get damp in the winter, consider placing a tarp beneath the car to keep most of the moisture away.

I kind of combine these 2 together. I buy the full length foam insulation (4 pieces).
I lay a tarp down then lay 3 pieces side-by-side and drive the car up on them.
It gives another 1" or so height from the concrete and really makes a good barrier to the concrete.

The 4th piece I cut into 3 and again lay side-by-side behind the back wheels as the lengths are not long enough.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:29 AM

I do about what Marco does, but I bought a piece of vinyl floor covering and just leave it on the garage floor year round. It

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 09:02 AM

Do you feel the floor covering eliminates the need to roll the car?

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 10:03 AM

Ah, the flat spotting tire debate rages on again. :D I've been told this is not an issue with tires anymore. However, I put 4 pieces of carpet down just in case. I do not roll the car. I went to a carpet store and they gave me these pieces free. Perfect size for the tires. A little bigger than front door mats. The ends are all sewn so it's not like they are fraying scraps of carpet. They are finished off. I think they were probably those rectangular samples you see in carpet stores. Once the line of carpet is discontinued I think they just pitch them. My .02.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 10:12 AM

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Do you feel the floor covering eliminates the need to roll the car?

I set all four tires down onto their own piece of 1" solid foam insulation
The tires are pumped up to 45 psi
I do not move or start the car for 5 months
Last year the rear S-02s were basically new and the fronts were getting very worn
I have experienced no flat spotting on new or old tires

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 10:30 AM

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Hi,

A little bit off the subject. I live in the Northeast and plan to drive my S once in a while. If I drive my S like once every two weeks, do you think I will be doing more harm to the engine than storing it? :hello:

If you "must" drive it once every couple of weeks, then you must. In this case, I would strongly advise putting on a "smart charger" to keep the battery maintained. If you only go for a short trip, the battery's diminished capacity after sitting for multiple 2-week periods may never catch up to having to cold crank an engine so infrequently. Also, if you have a block heater, plug it in for a couple hours (no more) before you start the engine if the car is stored in a heated garage and 3 to 4 hours if it's out in the cold. This will help the oil circulate faster and will help the engine warm up much quicker.
If, however, you are driving it once every couple of weeks because you think you are doing the car a favour, think again. :thumbdn:

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 11:17 AM

^ I am so glad I don't have to think about all this...:eek:
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Posted 09 November 2004 - 11:50 AM

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Also, if you have a block heater, plug it in for a couple hours (no more) before you start the engine if the car is stored in a heated garage and 3 to 4 hours if it's out in the cold.

Question - why do you say '(no more)'. What's the harm in leaving the block heater on all night if you're going to be driving in the morning Other than the fact that in my neighborhood, I'd probably attract way too many rodents by the warmth!)

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 12:09 PM

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Question - why do you say '(no more)'. What's the harm in leaving the block heater on all night if you're going to be driving in the morning Other than the fact that in my neighborhood, I'd probably attract way too many rodents by the warmth!)

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The heating element that is the block heater is not unlike the thing in the bottom of your tea kettle. It literally BOILS the water. If the car is already in a heated environment, the area around the heater will get extremely hot - so much so that if kept on for too long and on a repeated and frequent basis, you can degrade the seals in that area much more quickly. (Outside, in the cold, it takes a lot longer for the coolant in the system to take up that heat from the element. In a heated garage, the coolant will heat up very quickly and will get to the point when it will not remove much more heat away from the element.) Although your engine coolant can get very hot every time you drive the car (especially in summer), it will not sustain 212*F all the time. Your block heater will. In fact, since it's in a closed, pressurized system, it can boil much hotter than this. It will boil the water continuously right around the element. I have seen block heaters that have corroded within its housing so bad that the thing will fall out when driving. This may be rare but it still gives you some idea of how harsh a block heater is when fully operational. Granted, this can take many years of regular use and if you don't intend on keeping the car that long, then it's the next guy's worry.

ps. Also, because it's a heating element, your electric meter will spin like crazy. Of course, if you have no choice but to have it plugged in all night, then you do what you must, but like I said, if it's outside, the natural cold will keep things from getting too hot.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 12:27 PM

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The heating element that is the block heater is not unlike the thing in the bottom of your tea kettle. It literally BOILS the water. If the car is already in a heated environment, the area around the heater will get extremely hot - so much so that if kept on for too long and on a repeated and frequent basis, you can degrade the seals in that area much more quickly. (Outside, in the cold, it takes a lot longer for the coolant in the system to take up that heat from the element. In a heated garage, the coolant will heat up very quickly and will get to the point when it will not remove much more heat away from the element.) Although your engine coolant can get very hot every time you drive the car (especially in summer), it will not sustain 212*F all the time. Your block heater will. In fact, since it's in a closed, pressurized system, it can boil much hotter than this. It will boil the water continuously right around the element. I have seen block heaters that have corroded within its housing so bad that the thing will fall out when driving. This may be rare but it still gives you some idea of how harsh a block heater is when fully operational. Granted, this can take many years of regular use and if you don't intend on keeping the car that long, then it's the next guy's worry.

ps. Also, because it's a heating element, your electric meter will spin like crazy. Of course, if you have no choice but to have it plugged in all night, then you do what you must, but like I said, if it's outside, the natural cold will keep things from getting too hot.

Cool. Then I won't worry about it much. The only times I use it is in the early spring or late fall, and only when I expect to drive it the next day. That car is in a detached, unheated garage, so over-doing it isn't much of an issue.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 03:08 PM

I knew I'd coax Dave out of Vintage retirement by posting a car thread or two. :D Welcome back my Canadian friend! P.S. We just sold the Z3 to an engineer who just moved here from Calgary.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 03:24 PM

^ So, what are you replacing it with? Or did I miss something...

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 05:35 PM

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^ So, what are you replacing it with? Or did I miss something...

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I knew I'd coax Dave out of Vintage retirement by posting a car thread or two. :D Welcome back my Canadian friend! P.S. We just sold the Z3 to an engineer who just moved here from Calgary.

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