AMEN BROTHA, hard work usually pays off.

Personally, I never thought I was PhD material but my committee highly disagreed. They actually graduated me before I thought I was ready to leave. I had some phat job offers if I wanted to take the money and run to industry, but then I wouldn't be able to enjoy the warm AZ weather while dropping the top in the S2K.

Now I'm just deciding if I want to fire up the Dub, piss off my bitchy neighbor, and burn off some of the 8 month old gas sitting in the tank. A VR6 with only a resonator is a mean, loud SOB. I love it.

 

oh... congrats lol....

Min is in the SCM program and she still doenst get the classes she wanst due to them being full. now thats flawed. if you're in the speicallized program taking upper level division classes there should be enough classes really to support the amount of students being let in the program

good luck... get overrides early

 

[QUOTE=asu_lee,Apr 14 2006, 11:22 AM] Didn't you tell me FSU is awesome, and ASU sucked?....You need an "in" to go to ASU?

MBAs are dime a dozen these days, understand that just because you have an education doesn't guarantee you a well paying job.

 

An MBA typically refines your skills you have to get to management. If you are looking for more money, certifications and job jumping are your best bet. For the most part technical people make more money than most business people, especially specialized technical people and we are more dificult to get rid of..

Specilization is key.......Jordan is specialized so he makes lots of $$$$$.

Typically managerial jobs are given by expressing interest and demonstrating hard work. The MBA gets you the skills to know what accounting is and what finance is. It is just like an undergraduate business education, without the nonbusiness classes. (ie calc, humanities, english).

 

Yeah, but the contacts created during a MBA are worth 100 times what the education is worth. How else am I going to break into collegiate athletic management or pro sports management.

Also, most major corporations require an MBA for advancement beyond a certain level, no matter how good you are. My father for example doesnt have any degree and is Senior VP of ConAgra. He cannot be president until he gets an MBA even though he is the most qualified man. The board of directors has mandated this.

Plus, your starting pay is many time higher as a MBA than just having a BA, so advancement in pay will also be greater.

There are exceptions to every rule, but in general these statements are true.

And specializations in tech fields will get high dollars and job security, but upper management and CEOs make more than professions I know, its just low job security at those positions.

 

Oh really? Speaking from someone with 12 years of experience.

No, most major corporations do NOT require an MBA to advance. It is how you perform. I have been there and seen it. It depends on how good you are.
Like Microsoft is going to hold you back from making them a whole lot of money with a new "killer app" because you don't have an MBA? COME ON! It is revenue generation and how you perform.

I hold a BSE in computer engineering and am close to finishing a senior technical certification. I know how much MBAs make and senior managers, and specialized tecnnical people make as much or more than both of them and have job security.
So this is wrong as well.

AS for making contacts, you are wrong there as well. The contact gets you in the door. It is how you perform in the job that matters, and the contacts you make during your jobs, it kind of builds. IE....The 32? year old Epstein? who is GM for the Red Sox. He won a world series. You know where he went to school?....I don't.

Don't burn bridges and do a great job.......and you will be compensated for what you are worth and perpetually pulled up to the next level.

Good luck.
-Lee

 

Well your corporate experience has greatly differed from people close to me. I said that advancement is mostly on merit for most, but some corporations (ConAgra, Readypac, Heinz, etc) do have those stipulations. But they are not as technologically based as you so the industries must be different.

Maybe starting salaries in tech are the same no matter what education you have, but in most industries education plays a key role between candidates with equal experience.

And the contact gets you through the door...thats the biggest obstacle in my field!

I have always found that those who do not desire advanced degrees argue against their value, and those that get them realize how valuable they really are.

 

"I have always found that those who do not desire advanced degrees argue against their value, and those that get them realize how valuable they really are."
^
Very wise indeed. I crossed that "thermocline" a few years ago.
Get that valuable degree, homey. There's nothing like being treated like a professional.

CB

 

i would differ. but then again this is a he said she said bitch fight.... so

 

depends on your field. you simply can't get to my current position in my field w/o finishing all the schooling possible.

in all honesty, it isn't about "what I know" at this point, but my demonstration of my aptitude to learn and master specific topics in my field.

in business I'm sure it is totally different. hence why i'm probably gonna pick up an MBA while i post-doc ....