This place is dead! I come in here and there is like dust in the threads!

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Nothing random happens. We are pretty boring people. Usually my random thoughts are posted on facebook. But here is my random thought. So I am about to move to dental school. And I am going to need a more practical car. I was thinking about getting another car or just a new car. I have the money for a beater car but I'm thinking about having a car for awhile. My dad loves my car and he made a deal with me. He said he will buy my car from me when I am ready to get a new car. So I have been pondering at the idea of a new car. But since I am not getting rid of the s2000 an it will be kept in a garage and driven by and old man (no offense Jerone). It will be nice and safe when I come home. So the next car doesn't have to be a equally as good and can be a step back or down from the performance category. I'm still open for suggestions. But my top choice is the new kia optima turbo sx. 274 whp!!! I need something with good gas milage and this thing is 34 highway mpg!!! And I need something for the snow since my girl won't be around. And price is around 26k. I'm kinda set on it. I hate the way the mazda speed 3 looks. And the powertrain warranty is 10 yr or 100k miles. I promise I'm not trying to sell the car or advertise but damn that sounds like a deal. Quarter Mile in 14.5-15 sec. Not bad. And it comes in leather. I'm just saying. But I kinda like it. It is not that much of a looker but again better than the ms3. Who needs reliability when u have that kinda warranty. I was also looking at the wrx subie. But that might be out of my price and mpg range. I'm just lookin for something practical. Any other suggestions?

Have u thought about a used evo x? It sounds like u may be more of a Subaru guy, but the evo x is something I've been interested in.

I agree with Mason. I miss my Evo it was a fully practical car in EVERY way. With the seating comfortable for 4 large adults or 2 adults and three kids it has cargo space down. Pop open the trunk and it throws you off how much room you have in there. I had a wide variety of computer parts thrown around in mine. Best part about it was it was already in track trim so if I felt the need to hit up MSR she was prepped and ready. AWD and turbod from the get go. Bolt on mods yield great results. Throw in some E85 and your damn near close to 400 with basic bolt ons. It was my daily for a while and got good gas mileage as long as I kept my foot out of it. Ill always have a soft spot for her.

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The last time I looked up the evo it was out of my price range. I am pretty much limited to less than 28k I don't really plan on financing. It was really down to a crappy unreliable car company with great warranty or the new civic si.

man i should add in that the ralliart and the wrx technically aren't out of the price range but when i start to build the one i would want and i dont mean slap on every accessories but they were a little bit over. and i rather have something more thn 25 mpg on the high way.

I assume you are wanting new. The Evo 8 and 9 should be in your price range and are GREAT cars. To me better then its successor. You can find them with low mileage in the 18-20k range.

I would like one but the unknown of rape of the cars worries me. I would like a new car. I like the idea of very little beating besides the test drives and the warranty

The Z is semi put back together.... :D

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Yo Alan, realistically though is a new car really worth it to you? I mean the amount of money you lose in the first 10 seconds of driving it is dizying... in my opinion with a decent amount of knowledge of working on cars and a thorough inspection of the vehicle a used car is such a better deal.

yea i thought about it and i might just pocket some cash and just grab a civic si 4-door as a beater.

Might wanna rethink your thoughts on the SI. I was going to do that when I got rid of my Evo but then thinking about it your hopping into a vehicle with premium gas once again. Instead I just bought a brand new EX-L civic that was fully loaded right at 20K. I haven't regret it whatsoever. It isn't a lightning fast car but pratical and great on gas mileage. Its an 09 with 70K on the clock so you know I drive the hell out of it

damn 70K!!?? on an 09?! yea that is alot. also ur stuff should be coming in tomorrow. you are right i dont need something super fast or need to buy premium gas. hum. does the ex-l have a diff and how does it handle the snow?

Actually it handles very well in the snow. I made a trip to Michigan, Flint that is, and it did exceptionally well in the snow. There was some videos of me on youtube driving it around. I have enjoyed the car. I dont baby it, I carry three kids at a time, and mileage wise it gets rapped but it keeps on ticking.

Ok. Sounds good. But what do u mean by "rapped"? Do u mean rape or wrap? Anywho. I know the EPA used to be 40 then it's around 35-37 something like that. How do u average?

I average 33-35 MPG. That's with me not concentrating on good gas mileage. When I went to Michigan I focused on drafting and watching my acceleration and I averaged 42 on the way there and back. As far as "rapped" I guess I could say present tense rape, as I am pretty hard on it.

So I'm thinking about maybe the civic or a 2.4l accord. Is it worth it for a little more space?

If you have a family maybe yes...but with my family being that they are kids the civic has ample room even with my 6'2" ass in there ")

Mason, I bought that same hot wheels!

Saweeeet man!

so i took this picture off my friend on facebook page. link if your a friends of dan's http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

here is a screen shot:http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/j...125153AM-1.png
here is a description: "a ice cream freezer with a pizza label on it no where near the grocery, a bit out there. It's like hear... you are lazy already because you play video games, let's put the pizza right here so you don't have to walk a few more steps..."

i was just thinking, did someone complain so much that these items should be put together and walmart finally caved in? just a thought but what other items goes together but not so common.
ice cream, whip cream and condoms or maybe candy. lol j/k about the candy.
lava lamps and cold medicine.
paint thinner, spray paint and plastic/paper baggs.
mexican ingredients, anti acids, and toilet paper. b
eer, guns and a first aid kit. just naming a few.

what can you guys come up with?

Dam it's hot... Anyone been living the topdown lifestyle lately? :p

Yes sir it has been ridiculous!

Yep...mmhhhmmm

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We gotta bring this forum back from the dead!!! Does anyone have a set of amber diffusers. I need a set for a UK friend.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!! https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/public/st...t/thumbsup.gif

So how would everyone feel about a eat & meet @ Papa Sushi in West Little Rock in the near future?

Dude I am down love me some sushi. Make it on a Saturday. Give me a month or more heads up and I am good to go. Preferably at the end of a month

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I would be up for it any time

How does Saturday September the 24th sound?

Sounds good.... Has anyone eaten at Tokyo House in West Little Rock yet? It's the new amazing Japanese Buffet... I think it would make a good spot for a meet...

I haven't, is it supposed to be pretty good?

I need to add that place to my must try list. I LOVE sushi.

And who's excited about Chipotle opening up in West Little Rock? :D

First time in tunica and won $131 starting with only $20!!!!!!

I was coming in here to ask what the hell you were doing up at 4:30am but now I know ") congrats!

thanks man.

well i just got back from tunica. i followed a friend there and he wanted to go 80 mph all the way there which is about 193 milees from where we started. i decided not to follow him home and drive at my own pace. i drove 65 all the way back. the tank was looking low so i decided to pull in after i drove 332.7 miles total( to tunica and when i stopped). i was so surprised that i only had to put 11.1010 gallons into the tank. i got 29.97 miles to the gallon. if i wasn't taking my girlfriend, i probably would tried risking going all the way home on that tank without stopping. i would have gotten 390ish miles to a tank!!!

Gotta swap out a manifold gasket and I'll be driving the Z!

I like this one
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I'm rambling here.

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lol... Keep the talking dinosaur going.... It's amusing... :thumbup:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah lollllzzzzz.

What would everyone think of an Arkansas S2K/350Z meet? There seems to be some cool cats over on my350z and at least we could get a decent turnout with both groups combined...

i wouldnt mind. sign me up. i think before i bought the s, i was initially looking at a used z. so they are alright with me.

I think that's a great idea Munny! If I can help you put something together just let me know. https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/public/st...t/thumbsup.gif

Dude I think that would be awesome. There is a pretty good scene of Z's here in Shreveport. Though they are like the s2000's Nemesis lol

So Munny, let's make this thing happen man!! What can I do to help my friend?! https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/public/st...ault/smile.gif

All I have to say is ...yum beer.

I'm gonna talk to them this week and see when an appropriate time would be for them and us. We'll make it a month in advance to get everyone's schedule right. I'll call you tomorrow Mason on my way home... Just got back from the Arkansas Vs. A&M game... :)

Sounds great man!

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I'll talk to them and see what we can put together!

I love this. https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/public/st...t/thumbsup.gif[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owV_X2L9gxg[/media]

Ok this here be a basic rambling but how many people run into someone that thinks the stop light is a tree this fellow had a older turboed thunderbird i thought it was funny but he tried and as usual i just laughed and the next light he did a whats that called when they have to try to make the wheels spins oh yes power stall with a one wheel peel with a sherrif at the corner :roflmao: lets say i just cruized on along while laughing my ass off

Nice! Lol

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I love Clarkson's voice, if he and Morgan Freeman did a car show together it would be great!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqp8-djyX0&feature=player_embedded#t=8s[/youtube]

That is a great video. I know ppl will like it but I don't think this video will last in the S2000 talk forum.

Well searched but i dont think i looked too hard does anyone know what the weight of the stock AP1 wheels are??? and also there are some sweet carbon fiber pipes for turbo intake does anyone know where to get those ??????

Yeah, I agree... I could careless about the 10 seconds of softcore porn. The video is awesome!

The video is F**KING awesome!!! I would love to make a video of something like this but we don't have many good looking imports. :(

They are right at 17lbs and the rear are a bit more. And your going to spend some money on carbon fiber intercooler piping. It will have to be custom made. Chances of you finding them will be slim.

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Ok thanks cus I was looking at getting some lighter runs like the OZ that are 14lbs in front and little over 15lbs in the rear but I asked about the carbon fiber pipes cus im impatient and didn't want to take a couple of days to build my own guess I might start working on them

Yall have to read this for sale at on Zilvia.com...

http://zilvia.net/f/wheels-tires/410...0z-tracks.html

:D

Best ad everrrrrr!! Man that made my day. How awesome is that thread!? I have to get me those wheels!!!

That is a good add..... Ran into walmart and parked back by the auto center to grab a quart of oil for the civic and left the top down paid and walked outside to see all the walmart grease moneys around my car lol so i hit the alarm :roflmao: they all jumped back i got closer and unlocked the door and a couple of them asked if it was my car i said of course (keep in mind in not trying to be a complete douche bag cus im in a hurry) and proceded to ask questions about it then this older man pretty frail dude yelled hey get back to work my f&*kin oil change shouldnt take 2 hrs :woot:

Glad everyone liked it... LMAO for hours... And good story on the trip to Walmart!

I got a kick outta this it was robbed from a sky/solstice forum

Well the original post is pretty old but I can speak directly to the S2000 vs. Sky Redline comparison as I have both sitting in my drive way. I was originally considering buying the S2000 or the Sky Redline myself and opted for the s2000 CR (granted I am a honda fan having driven a Prelude SH for the last few years). My girlfriend then purchased the Sky Redline and had the GMPP turbo upgrade put on it. If you are going to buy a Redline the GMPP should be done to it. For less than a thousand dollars you get around 300hp to the wheels and even more torque. Unfortunately the dynos charts for the sky were lost so I can no longer give the exact numbers.

Which you choose is very dependent on what you want out of the car. A lot of people don't understand the s2000. Anyone who says things like the s2000 needs a v6/v8, heat seaters, or a better audio system misunderstand the vehicle. If you fall into this category you should probably buy the sky. I'll break the comparison down into sections so you can decide which one is best for you. I already know the s2000 is the right one for me as I chose to purchase it. The Sky is a very good car (albeit not one I would choose to own). The general break down though is the s2000 is better when you need to steer and the sky is better when you want to just mash the gas.

Price/Performance Ratio:

The Sky wins this one, it is cheaper and has better horsepower/torque numbers. Both cars are quick vehicles. The power to weight ratios are actually very similar in their stock trims, however with the GMPP upgrade the Sky has a formidable advantage here, and it will still cost you less than an s2000.

Luxury/Build Quality:

This is pretty much a tie. Neither car competes as a luxury vehicle. The s2000 has a much higher build quality then the Sky, this can be seen in both the interior materials heard in the rattles. With the top off of my s2000 CR and the top down on the Sky the s2000 is much quieter when on the highway or even driving at city speeds. Conversely with the top on the s2000 CR and the top up on the Sky the Sky is much quieter on the highway and about the same at city speeds. However it should be noted the s2000 CR has all its sound deadening material removed and has more track oriented tires on it, so I imagine the base s2000 is much more comparable. The s2000 has much less wind buffeting than the Sky, even if you purchase the after market rear wind diffuser.

The s2000's seats feel very nice and hold you in position, the sky's seats have the tendency to bounce and squeak a bit. The base s2000 comes with a powered soft top that is supposedly very nice. The sky's soft top is very cumbersome to close due to the clam shell design of the trunk. Also my girlfriend's trunk leaks and the water builds up in her trunk, she has yet to be able to remedy this, however I haven't heard too many other people complaining. The sky's trunk is also very easy to close incorrectly. There is also an issue with the top's rear hold downs breaking, which has happened a few times to the sky, although has been replaced by the dealerships for free.

The s2000 has terrible cup holds and yet the sky manages to be worse (some models have cup holds between the seats which are much better than the passanger's foot well cup holder which always pops out and breaks, 5 times last I counted). However the Sky has On-Star which has GPS service built in if you pay the subscription fee. The On-Star service is actually pretty nice as you can even have them find hotels and restaurants for you. It can come with a 6 disc changer and has an audio input on the radio. I mention this because the s2000's radio door and gear shifter makes it slightly more difficult to replace your radio with any units that would provide. The sky also provides more general climate and audio features, however the s2000's systems are extremely easy to navigate while driving. Interestingly the driver-centric design makes the passenger's view of the car seem very boring.

A bonus for the s2000 is that it has strong AC fans so you can be more effective when the top is off. It also has what I call "convertible vents", which blow air only on your legs. This is great when you’ve got the top off at a stop light and the sun is beaming down on you, as otherwise your legs will get very hot.

Racing Performance:
The s2000 wins this category easily. The Sky is more prone to over-steer, while the s2000 is far more neutral. The s2000 is also has far faster response to the steering wheel than the sky does. If you purchase a sky the second thing you do after the GMPP upgrade is put new tires on it as the stock ones are crumby for the car (a cause of the poor handling and the ABS system being jarring). The Potenza RE-11 tires have vastly improved handling and response in the sky. Both I and my girlfriend drive the cars in auto-cross and the s2000 turns in much better times than the sky, even after the sky had the GMPP and RE-11’s put on it, both when I drove it and when my girl does.

The s2000 can and will spin out very easily, I’ve done it several times in Auto-X and a lot of people have wrecked s2000’s for this reason (they refer to it as snap-oversteer). The Sky is much more forgiving in this regard, but it is a direct result of the fact that it is tuned for under steer. I have the feeling with an alignment change either you could make either car fairly neutral as their weight balances are almost perfect.

For the track the s2000’s traction controls are easier to disable as well, as some traction control always seems to be on with the Sky. As a side note for bragging, I took the s2000 to race at Summit Point and I was able to lap everyone else in the beginner group my first time there, and I wasn’t allowed to pass in turns which really slowed me down. (This is probably largely to do with my auto-x experience, but the car is extremely capable in this environment).

Street Performance:
Either of these cars is better than what the average person is driving around. I mostly consider this a tie, maybe slightly favoring the s2000. The big thing is, if you’re a red light racer you’ll want the sky; after the turbo tweak it just accelerates much harder than a stock s2000 can. Here’s the thing though, a lot of people look at the s2000’s low peak torque and the sky’s high peak torque and automatically assume the sky is easier. In a regard they’re correct, if you want to accelerate in it’s much easier to just punch it in the sky without changing gears than the s2000. However in city driving the sky is extremely easy to stall when starting off. The reason for this is the torque in the Sky before the turbo kicks in is extremely low, lower than the s2000’s. Part of the reason for this is the low-compression the engine is running at due to the turbo running at such high psi. This also causes the s2000 to lug around better than the sky does when you’re in stop and go traffic. Both cars offer bumpy rides, but the s2000 always seems more planted and the sky seems to bounce around a lot due to the seats. As a note if you grew up driving naturally aspirated cars with 2.2 liters of displacement or less than having to rev the s2000 won’t seem like a big deal to you.

Ergonomics:
The s2000 is a big winner here. Here is a list of things on the sky that suck. The window controls for the sky require you to nearly break your wrist due to the very rearward placement. The seats basically require you to open the door to adjust how far they’re leaning back. Those nice looking fenders dramatically reduce visibility.

The s2000’s layout is almost exclusively centered around the driver, your AC, lights, and radio are all controlled right beside your steering wheel. In fact the rest of the dash looks very empty from the passenger seat because of the lack of controls visible from their perspective. One thing that I hate on the s2000 is actually their “racecar inspired start button”. It pointlessly adds another step to starting the car and is one of the only features the car has that don’t either make it go faster or help it be DOT legal. If they had added features like newer cars that have RFID chips so you don’t have to insert a key to start the car than it’d be no big deal, however they never added that option. The s2000’s shifter is one of the smoothest available as where the sky’s transmissions is pulled out of a truck and you can tell. It should also be noted if you want to spruce up the interior of the Sky you can’t replace the shifter knob as it isn’t a standard screw on design for some reason (or at least my mechanic couldn’t even get it off without fear of breaking something). The s2000’s trunks infinitely more useable than the Sky’s, and the “hidden” compartment in the s2000 is probably about equivalent to the sky’s glove box… although if you’re looking for storage space the neither car is the one you should get. For these reasons I consider the s2000 slightly more practical than the sky, but again, this is the wrong motivation for either car. Both cars also have very poor rear visibility with their tops up, and excellent all around visibility with their tops down (The CR’s visibility marginally worse due to the huge ugly functional wing on the back).

Summary:
If you’re looking for a car that most resembles a race car the s2000 is your pick. If you can’t live without turn by turn directions the sky is your pick (there are very few places to mount a GPS in an s2000). If you want an automatic transmission you have to buy the sky (and I don’t think you should have a sports car unless you’re missing your left foot). If you want to blast past people at lights you’ll want the sky (on the highway either car is equally as good, the s2000 better if you want to do it during a turn). If you mostly want a car to relax and look good in simply pick the car that you think looks the best.

Also I just want to say this is the only comparison thread that didn’t degenerate into a “Jap Crap vs. American Crap” argument. I hope this was useful to anyone comparing the two.

Nice post man! That was a very informative read for me, being that I know very little about the Sky in general. Thanks man! https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/public/st...t/thumbsup.gif