Australia & New Zealand S2000 Owners Members from the land downunder.

Wheel spacers

Thread Tools
 
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:24 AM
  #1  
NA-088's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 0
From: SYDNEY
Default Wheel spacers

Hows it goin all?

Just wanted some info regarding wheel spacers. For track i wish to use stock rims but at the same time keep my spoon calipers on, for me to do this im looking at 15-20mm spacer. I have searched the forums but nothing sufficient has come up. From what i have found the H&R wheel spacers seem to be the best ones there since they have the extended stud, would this mean i wouldnt have to replace to current wheel studs? Also would spacers be good enough for tracking applications? Also where would sell these sort of spacers?

Thanks
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:49 PM
  #2  
simons2k's Avatar
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 3
From: High Point, NC
Default

This post might be a bit late but for what it's worth:

I ran 25mm spacers on my S for about a year, before I got aftermarket wheels. The extended studs were installed on the spacers so you didn't have to remove the oem ones.

I never tracked my car with the spacers on so can't help you there. I did it for asthetic reasons. I can't say for sure that it helped by way of handling. I'm assuming that it did due to a wider track and lower center of gravity.

Go to www.hrsprings.com they will refer you to a local distributor in your area.

Hope this helps.
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:30 PM
  #3  
AusS2000's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,809
Likes: 15
From: Sydney
Default

Spacers certainly will not help handling. In fact they will diminish it dramatically.

Think about it. When turning your front wheel pivots around an axis somewhere down through the center of the tyre. If you move the wheel out 20mm you are moving the wheel out but not the pivot point. So effectively when you turn left your left wheel is moving backwards and your right forwards.

Spacers are bad news and should be avoided at all costs.
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:02 PM
  #4  
simons2k's Avatar
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 3
From: High Point, NC
Default

Originally Posted by AusS2000,Mar 25 2006, 04:30 PM
Spacers certainly will not help handling. In fact they will diminish it dramatically.

Think about it. When turning your front wheel pivots around an axis somewhere down through the center of the tyre. If you move the wheel out 20mm you are moving the wheel out but not the pivot point. So effectively when you turn left your left wheel is moving backwards and your right forwards.

Spacers are bad news and should be avoided at all costs.
I thought it had the same effect as wider aftermarket wheels. Most people when installing aftermarket wheels usually go with a wider setup, therefore, extending the track and lowering the center of gravity making it handle better. Same effect when spacers are installed. Yes or no?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe I got this info from HRspring's website:

www.hrsprings.com
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 07:11 PM
  #5  
AusS2000's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,809
Likes: 15
From: Sydney
Default

Track doesn't affect center of gravity (unless we're talking very heavy chromies).

Spacers move the wheels out. I guess that could have a positive effect on handling but the negatives as outlined above far outweigh the positive.

If you install wider wheels with a high offset (the excess width is on the inside) then spacers may be used to realign the center of the wheel but this is seldom the case. We require a high offset to begin width.
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 07:58 PM
  #6  
simons2k's Avatar
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 3
From: High Point, NC
Default

^^makes sense^^
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 01:00 PM
  #7  
inactiveuser1114's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,132
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by AusS2000,Mar 25 2006, 11:11 PM
Track doesn't affect center of gravity (unless we're talking very heavy chromies).

Spacers move the wheels out. I guess that could have a positive effect on handling but the negatives as outlined above far outweigh the positive.

If you install wider wheels with a high offset (the excess width is on the inside) then spacers may be used to realign the center of the wheel but this is seldom the case. We require a high offset to begin width.
Back from the death i know its like 2 years old but the questions pops up again,

Are wheel spacers really that bad?? for a person that mostly care of looks, never tracks but don't want to loose control in the highway either, would spacers still be a bad idea? inputs? thanks alot
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 02:31 PM
  #8  
Austblue's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,085
Likes: 0
From: 3rd bedroom on the right
Default

What size are we talking? Small spacers wont be dangerous but obviously its relative to how big you go. It will also increase the wear on your wheel bearings though this might not be a huge concern as long as you monitor them.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 05:35 PM
  #9  
chris_barry's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 4
From: Sydney
Default

Originally Posted by AusS2000,Mar 26 2006, 10:30 AM
Think about it. When turning your front wheel pivots around an axis somewhere down through the center of the tyre. If you move the wheel out 20mm you are moving the wheel out but not the pivot point. So effectively when you turn left your left wheel is moving backwards and your right forwards.
This is what is called the scrub radius.

Ideally you want the point that the wheel pivouts around in the centre of the wheel.

The more the wheel is outset from the pivot point the more the steering will start to be pulled around by bumps and undulations on the road. In the extreme case the steering will no longer centre and can even try to pull itself to full lock under braking.

Adding wider wheels is OK provided you add width to both the inside and outside of the wheel.

Spacers effectively add wheel to the outside and removes it from the inside.

Having said that, spaces up to 10mm thickness will only make minor changes to the steering. Beyond that things can get interesting

Chris
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 07:05 AM
  #10  
inactiveuser1114's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,132
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Austblue,Sep 11 2007, 05:31 PM
What size are we talking? Small spacers wont be dangerous but obviously its relative to how big you go. It will also increase the wear on your wheel bearings though this might not be a huge concern as long as you monitor them.
How about 10mm spacer in the rear? 5mm or non in front? would that harm the car in any way?

and at the same time would that be enough to make a difference in looks?
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:52 AM.