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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 2159ClassicRed,Oct 12 2009, 11:35 AM
I agree with chetly. If you were there, the Porsche was surely not going to let the Vette by him, no matter what he had to do. Literally locked him in, and just never let off. If you were there at the grand stands, you'll know what I mean, the way the Vette was positioned, he was edging him on the straight. The Porsche could have kept it straight, and keeping going for the finish for the eventually lose.....................or the other way. Brings me back to my GranTurismo days
Yes, but the only reason the Vette was able to get underneath the Porsche was because he loved that the Porsche through the corner; that unsettled the leader and made him go a little wider than he would have like.

That's a really dirty way to pass, just like it was dirty to pass in the pit-out lane, as he had done earlier.

I understand the need to win, but to win at all costs of integrity? It's up to the driver of the Vette to strategize and try to take the lead at opportune points. If the driver in front is blocking, then strategize to get around him, use traffic, use your stable-mate, make a protest, etc.

Porsche driver reacted in a negative way, but was a very understanding reaction.
This is just shades of the Mika Salo and Thomas Enge altercation a few years back in the battling Ferrari's.
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Luder94,Oct 12 2009, 10:00 AM
Yes, but the only reason the Vette was able to get underneath the Porsche was because he loved that the Porsche through the corner; that unsettled the leader and made him go a little wider than he would have like.
I don't understand that statement, but allow me to respond. I agree that the Vette shouldn't have passed on the pit out, but he let the Porsche back by so that's that. To do a little bump and run coming out of turn 11 I didn't see a problem with, the Porsche was still ahead and it would have been a drag race. But to purposely run someone into the wall and then spin him the way he did is total bullshit. He wrecked a $350,000+ race car not to mention he could have gotten seriously hurt. Why, cause he wanted to win? I don't see your logic saying that it was understandable.
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 11:03 AM
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Understandable because he wanted to win no matter how he had to do it. Was sort of shocked the Vette didn't slide across in first .
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 11:13 AM
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The #3 and #4 vettes play slightly dirty every race I watched. Pushing cars off track, trading paint, taking two wheels below track lines, using one car in lower position to block for the other car in higher position, etc.

I was just pointing out symptoms that are apparent throughout the series with that team.

I do have an issue with the slight 'bump and run' out of the final corner....it was the final corner. That bump and run was an effective way to unsettle the Porsche to have him either spin, or go wider and take away a potential block down the straight. This is what happened.

Just because you have more power to overtake someone, it's no reason for you to be able to push someone off their line. Blocking is apart of racing, identify it early on ..use some 'strategery' , use the track, and pass cleanly. Don't wait until the last corner to do what you did...you may end up in the wall with a broken $350k car AND in second place.

I'm not going to get into a debate with anyone on this forum, this was some payback over the course of the season. BTW, I'm more of a fan for Corvette Racing than any of the Porsche teams (save for the Flying Lizard team)....so I wasn't happy to see the cars I root not place #1, but at the same time, this isn't NASCAR.
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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The vette wasn't close enough to get under the porsche in the last turn so he drilled him - and then the porsche ran him to the wall and then all hell broke loose. IMO, the vette started it.
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 04:44 PM
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OK, I'll concede that the Vette shouldn't have tapped him going into 11. But the Porsche could have stopped at putting him in the wall. He didn't need to turn him like he did. I just wonder if the officials had a talk with the teams after the race.
Old Oct 12, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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porsche 1
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 05:04 AM
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Great racing IMHO, from a spectator view point. Certainly glad Magnussen was not hurt. Apparently IMSA thought there was plenty of blame to share and afterall this is not NASCAR racing - thankgoodness.

IMSA STATEMENT ON MAZDA RACEWAY GT2 FINISH

Following the closing laps and finish of the GT2 race Saturday at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, IMSA officials placed Jorg Bergmeister and Jan Magnussen on a two-race probation period for the start of the 2010 season with a minimum two race suspension in abeyance.

Should either driver commit further offenses in the first two rounds of 2010, the participant will receive at minimum a two-race ban from competition by IMSA, which sanctions the American Le Mans Series.
Old Oct 14, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Luder94,Oct 12 2009, 02:00 PM
This is just shades of the Mika Salo and Thomas Enge altercation a few years back in the battling Ferrari's.
Or the 2007 Sebring finish:[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvz1XcVmJeU [/media]

You have to bet that Borgmeister didn't want to lose a last corner lead again.
Old Oct 14, 2009 | 07:34 AM
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^^^^Incredible racing there!!!!!

I didn't get to see that race....not even the highlights. That was new to me.



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