Please be civil





[QUOTE=moogleii,Jun 18 2010, 10:33 AM] I got a pm this morning that he just sold the wheels to someone else last night. We had been talking about the sale for the past week. There was zero indication that he was going to back out, or that he was wavering. Zero. I had made arrangements to borrow a car to drive up north tomorrow and told him I'd be in his area around noon (I had been considering flying, too, and renting a car back down, thank god I hadn't done that, or I'd be sitting here with a useless plane ticket and car reservation).

Whatever, I'm just a bit pissed at the lack of etiquette. Nothing can be done now. I know it's a "whatever goes" market here on the forums, but personally I think etiquette is the only thing that keeps the market sane.

 

Thanks for the fair and balanced judgment prior to viewing all facts of the matter. Unbelievable.

I've PMed you as you've requested. I have all the PMs between Brian and me available. I don't even want to take this route, because there is nothing that can be done anyway, but if you're going to blatantly distort what actually occurred without even reviewing the details of the matter, then the PMs are ready to be forwarded.

 

ciao tutti~.

I know Ron Moogleii very well, he would not express frustration without a serious reason. Under your reasoning Mac, you are correct, "if he agreed to wait", however, there was no such agreement, nothing was ever mentioned of "first come first serve". Perhaps you are correct that is his [brian's] personality, however when it is not specifically mentioned, negotiated, or otherwise noted verbally it is really uncourteous and disrespectful to someone else who re-arranges a weekend to come up from LA to SF, especially with borrowing a car or even purchasing a plane ticket. We all know how the drive is not that pleasant, and it's not terribly close. Think of how irritating it is when it happens to you, perhaps Brian had the best intentions, however to undersell to someone else after a settled upon agreement, it's only natural of the buyer to express his feelings of disatisfaction with the personal conduct of the seller.

 

Wow, way to find out all the facts before making a statement

Rather than PRESUME what happened, you might look into the details
before telling a person what won't be tolerated. Super lame!


I've known Ron for several years, and he's one of the most
easy-going guys I've met--he wouldn't call foul unless there
was a foul to be called. Seller already showed himself to be
flaky by backing out at the last second a week ago, and then
now, ONE DAY before Ron is about to travel hundreds of miles
to go make the purchase, he says he's already made the sale!
That's not cool. Luckily, Ron planned to drive, and not fly!

Moderators should be a little more... MODERATE

 

Thanks for the support. But for the record, it didn't quite happen that way last week. We had discussed good places to meet in SF, I started plans to get to SF, but then he told me he was going to be out of the country for a few days at the last minute. I wouldn't call it flaking. Just...not timely news. I wouldn't hold that against him.

Anyway, I don't really want this to blow out of proportion. I gave "seller feedback." That's all. Some people don't agree.

 

Let’s get the fact straight
I am not going to stir up this matter anymore. I am not trying to be a bad seller nor trying to rip anyone off. I’ve been on this board almost 6 years and been selling a lot of S2000 parts in the past. I’ve made good friends on this board. Nothing but positive sales feedback.

That's why I did not post anything up for sale in the main For Sales section nor on th Socal For Sale. I kept this all local and local pick. He just happens to PM me.

But moogleii did mention that he is going to pick it up local from me. I never have any sales transaction with him or have met him before. But I am still not too 100% positive that he is going to buy. He did not leave me a deposit or any money in-exchange. Pretty much nothing and just word of mouth. He mentioned on the last PM saying that he is going to drive up and meet up with me. He didn't say he is going to plan on booking a plane ticket or already booked. If he did, I would have made an acceptation and that tells me he is making an effort but he needs to show me. I am not sure how he going to bring back a set of 4 wheels with tires on to a plane. Once I replied back this morning telling him that the wheels are sold, and then few hours he replied saying he is thinking about flying. I don’t know what he is trying to prove.

As of last night a buyer came around saying he want to take a look and buy it. And that is what he did. So there was payment for the wheels in my hand and he took the wheels. All I can say is there is cash in my hand. “What if” I refuse to take the money and later on you flaked. Then I tried to contact back the local buyer. He says he is not interest anymore, and then I pretty much left out in the cold and back where I started at. I’ve just been there way too many times and I am getting tired of this.

These days I don't know who is serious or who is not serious. I’ve been flaked and left outside in the cold. Pretty much a first come first serve basis these days. Unless there was a deposit made. I’ve even had close friends or people that I know me for awhile saying they will come by and pick it up but it never happens. I am not trying to prove anything but this is just the facts and the real world.

 

Sweaterguy, hapybrian, Dj Elixur, I know you are buddy with moogleii, but let's get the fact straight. I've never met him before or had any sales transaction with him in the past. What if it was the other way around. I am going to buy something from him and drive all the way up from San Francisco. Would he have done the same and I not leaving a deposit or anything. It was just a word of mouth.

If you want something, you just need to leave a deposit with the seller, and that will tell the seller you are serious.

I am sorry Ron, moogleii. I wasn't too sure if you are serious or not

 

Um, you never asked for a deposit. Not even a passive-aggressive suggestion, nor even a mild smoke signal during a hurricane. I would have gladly put down a deposit. In fact, you even offered to lower the price for me - something I didn't even ask for. I would have even matched the other buyer's price if you wanted to start a bid war, assuming I had gotten some kind of advanced notice that you were going to back out.

Yeah, if the situation were reversed. I would have waited for at least the agreed upon time to pass by before making a sale with someone else. That's just standard seller etiquette. But you can do whatever you want. And I gave feedback.

Btw: Plane one way, rental car the other.

 

Why didn't you express any of your concerns before (not to mention ask for a deposit?)?

"QUOTE
Great. Saturday is fine with me. What time are you planning on leaving socal.

Thanks
Brian


QUOTE
Awesome, sounds like a plan! I'm going to head up Saturday then!"

sounds like "we're golden, see you on saturday."

 

Its over and done with. I've tried to make deals with other sellers on here and I didn't like how they were conducting their sale and said I'll pass. I didn't make a rant about it expept for my riduculous run in with a sponsor on here.

What makes it worse you have to have your buddies come on here and speak their mind when they have nothing to do with it.

You made your seller feedback on him, now move on.