BMW Z2?
Now that the Z4 has transformed into a bloated tourer, this should be interesting, but I doubt it will be as good as a sub-Boxster model from Porsche if BMW goes with a sports car. Worse case would be a fwd eco car to compete with a Miata (why bother?).
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/bmw-...0207-1ajay.html
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/bmw-...0207-1ajay.html
BMW has confirmed it will reveal a small open-top sports car concept at the Geneva motor show next month, but will it drive the front or rear wheels?
BMW has confirmed it will show a small roadster concept car at the Geneva motor show next month, a move that is sure to spark a new wave of speculation about a smaller, less expensive version of the Z4.
A Z2 has been rumoured for some time and would allow the company to compete with a mooted small roadster developed by the Volkswagen group that could wear VW and Porsche badges, with the latter model sitting beneath the Boxster.
At the recent launch of the BMW 6-Series Convertible, a spokeswoman confirmed the roadster show car would be the company's star attraction at March's Geneva show but refused to go into any detail.
BMW insiders are saying the show car will not go into production, but that some design features will be incorporated into future models.
The car is believed to have some wild styling themes, including overlapping exterior panels, a large scoop on one side of the bonnet, rear power bulges (reminiscent of a Porsche Carrera) and exterior lighting highlights that can change colour. It is also expected to feature retractable doors – used on BMW's 1980s Z1 roadster – that drop down into the sills.
There are also styling cues from BMW's Vision Efficient Dynamics hybrid show car, while the technology on board will include car-to-car communication, real-time navigation and the latest sensor technology for accident avoidance.
Despite the denials that the concept car is a forerunner to a new Z2, European car magazines are speculating a small BMW roadster is definitely in the pipeline, although reports are mixed about what form the car will take.
Germany's Autobild suggests the car is likely to be powered by a new 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine and will sit on the rear-drive platform of the next-generation 1-Series expected later this year.
But Car magazine in the UK claims the car will fall within BMW's new i-Project umbrella, a new sub-brand for the German marque that focuses on front-wheel-drive small cars employing the company's efficient dynamics fuel-saving technology. Engines would likely to be smaller 1.6-litre fours and possibly a three-cylinder, with the car aimed at cheaper roadsters including Mazda's MX-5.
BMW is scheduled to reveal details of its new environmentally-conscious sub-brand in the last week of this month and insiders claim the roadster concept has styling pointers to the new small cars.
Car Magazine in the UK says the new roadster isn't due until 2015, but other reports out of Germany say it could launch in the second half of next year and be followed by a coupe variant. A Geneva reveal would suggest the car will enter production sooner rather than later, despite BMW's denials about the concept entering production.
While the Z4 has a folding hardtop roof, its younger sibling is expected to feature a soft top for weight and cost reasons.
BMW says it is not wedded to hardtops, despite making a fuss about the folding metal roof on the 3-Series convertible and the Z4.
The company's head of functional integration, Gerard Schick, says the company decides the roof design for each car based on customer feedback.
"We always look at the type of car and the history of the model before we decide which roof to do," he says.
BMW has confirmed it will show a small roadster concept car at the Geneva motor show next month, a move that is sure to spark a new wave of speculation about a smaller, less expensive version of the Z4.
A Z2 has been rumoured for some time and would allow the company to compete with a mooted small roadster developed by the Volkswagen group that could wear VW and Porsche badges, with the latter model sitting beneath the Boxster.
At the recent launch of the BMW 6-Series Convertible, a spokeswoman confirmed the roadster show car would be the company's star attraction at March's Geneva show but refused to go into any detail.
BMW insiders are saying the show car will not go into production, but that some design features will be incorporated into future models.
The car is believed to have some wild styling themes, including overlapping exterior panels, a large scoop on one side of the bonnet, rear power bulges (reminiscent of a Porsche Carrera) and exterior lighting highlights that can change colour. It is also expected to feature retractable doors – used on BMW's 1980s Z1 roadster – that drop down into the sills.
There are also styling cues from BMW's Vision Efficient Dynamics hybrid show car, while the technology on board will include car-to-car communication, real-time navigation and the latest sensor technology for accident avoidance.
Despite the denials that the concept car is a forerunner to a new Z2, European car magazines are speculating a small BMW roadster is definitely in the pipeline, although reports are mixed about what form the car will take.
Germany's Autobild suggests the car is likely to be powered by a new 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine and will sit on the rear-drive platform of the next-generation 1-Series expected later this year.
But Car magazine in the UK claims the car will fall within BMW's new i-Project umbrella, a new sub-brand for the German marque that focuses on front-wheel-drive small cars employing the company's efficient dynamics fuel-saving technology. Engines would likely to be smaller 1.6-litre fours and possibly a three-cylinder, with the car aimed at cheaper roadsters including Mazda's MX-5.
BMW is scheduled to reveal details of its new environmentally-conscious sub-brand in the last week of this month and insiders claim the roadster concept has styling pointers to the new small cars.
Car Magazine in the UK says the new roadster isn't due until 2015, but other reports out of Germany say it could launch in the second half of next year and be followed by a coupe variant. A Geneva reveal would suggest the car will enter production sooner rather than later, despite BMW's denials about the concept entering production.
While the Z4 has a folding hardtop roof, its younger sibling is expected to feature a soft top for weight and cost reasons.
BMW says it is not wedded to hardtops, despite making a fuss about the folding metal roof on the 3-Series convertible and the Z4.
The company's head of functional integration, Gerard Schick, says the company decides the roof design for each car based on customer feedback.
"We always look at the type of car and the history of the model before we decide which roof to do," he says.
Some of the styling details described sound fruit-tastic, but the idea of a 2.0L T, RWD, lightweight roadster? That sounds +awesome+.
Yeah, the Z4 has gotten a little bloated.
Z2M is what we need. 2800 lbs, 300HP, etc.
Yeah, the Z4 has gotten a little bloated.
Z2M is what we need. 2800 lbs, 300HP, etc.
Originally Posted by [DT
,Feb 8 2011, 09:44 AM] Some of the styling details described sound fruit-tastic, but the idea of a 2.0L T, RWD, lightweight roadster? That sounds +awesome+.
Yeah, the Z4 has gotten a little bloated.
Z2M is what we need. 2800 lbs, 300HP, etc.
Yeah, the Z4 has gotten a little bloated.
Z2M is what we need. 2800 lbs, 300HP, etc.

Originally Posted by Disgustipated,Feb 8 2011, 10:55 AM
Don't forget that it'll come complete with BMW's trademark unreliability and hopefully the HPFP issues so that even buyers of the Z2 can have an authentic BMW experience.
BMW now has "trademark unreliability" because of an HPFP issue? This is quite startling.
Originally Posted by RC 94,Feb 8 2011, 06:49 PM
And let the bickering begin.
BMW now has "trademark unreliability" because of an HPFP issue? This is quite startling.
BMW now has "trademark unreliability" because of an HPFP issue? This is quite startling.
Originally Posted by Disgustipated,Feb 8 2011, 01:55 PM
Don't forget that it'll come complete with BMW's trademark unreliability and hopefully the HPFP issues so that even buyers of the Z2 can have an authentic BMW experience.
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Feb 8 2011, 11:33 AM
Worse case would be a fwd eco car to compete with a Miata (why bother?).
http://www.mazdagabriel.com/en/mazda_newcars/fiche/mx5
You don't need blistering acceleration (or phenomenal performance) to have a car buyers want - the Miata / MX-5 is proof of this.
If the Honda S2000 had matched just 50% of Mazda Miata’s World sales, I bet the car would still be in production (in some iteration).
Imo if Honda wanted more S2000 sales, it would have sold an automatic trans. version. I believe the numbers are such that 6% of new cars sold are manuals, so you could conceivably state that S2000 sales could be 94% higher with an automatic S2000, or more conservatively, S2000 sales could have been 50% more than what they were. Still not half of Miata sales, but considering the price points...
I think the MX-5 sells well because its a rwd car and has real merit among a large part of the population - look at other small roadsters from the past like the Capri - fwd, small, not popular, and that was from Ford. I can't imagine a BMW competing on price either. Even Toyota's MRS failed, and it was a better offering than the Capri. The point is, fwd economy car is like bringing the wrong tool to do the job.
I don't see BMW being able to offer much value to match the MX-5's mix of price performance and posh, or really understand why BMW would sell such a car when that is where its positioned Mini in the market. I hope that the Z2 would be a 4-cyl roadster that is priced around $30 to start and will fill the void in the market between the MX-5 and the Boxster, and be genuinely lighter and different from the Z4.
I think the MX-5 sells well because its a rwd car and has real merit among a large part of the population - look at other small roadsters from the past like the Capri - fwd, small, not popular, and that was from Ford. I can't imagine a BMW competing on price either. Even Toyota's MRS failed, and it was a better offering than the Capri. The point is, fwd economy car is like bringing the wrong tool to do the job.
I don't see BMW being able to offer much value to match the MX-5's mix of price performance and posh, or really understand why BMW would sell such a car when that is where its positioned Mini in the market. I hope that the Z2 would be a 4-cyl roadster that is priced around $30 to start and will fill the void in the market between the MX-5 and the Boxster, and be genuinely lighter and different from the Z4.







