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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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i think this engine will produce tons of torque... if you think about it.. its getiing pushed 3X as often as a regular engine, therefore that should mean smoother acceleration. i think they could go somewhere with this.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 02:22 AM
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I saw this engine on a little standoutside the motor show about 10 years ago. Very impressive design.

Unfortunately, like the Sarrich Orbital, it is relegated to a life of obscurity in a world of conventional crank and rod.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 04:48 AM
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also.... how do they get that opposing rotation ??
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really' date='Feb 10 2005, 08:34 PM
I think you are wrong here - if the piston shaft pushes a wheel that forces a camlobe to the side, the opposite force is going to be applied to the piston shaft, and eventually to the cylinder walls, causing the piston to rock in the cylinder.

I don't see how it could be any oher way
It works because there are TWO trilobe wheels and they counter-rotate, so the net lateral force on the piston is zero.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ADAM_ROB_UK' date='Feb 11 2005, 02:37 AM
i think this engine will produce tons of torque... if you think about it.. its getiing pushed 3X as often as a regular engine, therefore that should mean smoother acceleration. i think they could go somewhere with this.
Sure, it'll produce 3x the torque - but at 1/3 the rotational speed. Therefore horsepower is exactly the same. You can get the EXACT same effect by putting a 3:1 reduction gear at the end of the engine crank. So it's an interesting result of the engine design, but from what I can tell it's not of any actual benefit.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AusS2000' date='Feb 11 2005, 05:22 AM
I saw this engine on a little standoutside the motor show about 10 years ago. Very impressive design.

Unfortunately, like the Sarrich Orbital, it is relegated to a life of obscurity in a world of conventional crank and rod.
Indeed, it would be very cool to see this go somewhere. Particularly in Formula One. But F1's likely too restrictive to allow this.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Elistan' date='Feb 11 2005, 02:47 PM
Sure, it'll produce 3x the torque - but at 1/3 the rotational speed. Therefore horsepower is exactly the same. You can get the EXACT same effect by putting a 3:1 reduction gear at the end of the engine crank. So it's an interesting result of the engine design, but from what I can tell it's not of any actual benefit.
^^^ good point i should have thought a bit harder !


but another thought... if you are rotating the engine 3x its normal speed.. wont that cause a huge amount of ware issues, as you are putting 3x the usage on it ?
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ADAM_ROB_UK' date='Feb 11 2005, 08:57 AM
^^^ good point i should have thought a bit harder !


but another thought... if you are rotating the engine 3x its normal speed.. wont that cause a huge amount of ware issues, as you are putting 3x the usage on it ?
Hmm. Do you mean the REVETEC engine? I don't think it'll be spinning at 3x the speed. If you used the F20C's cylinder dimensions (84mm stroke) and max piston speed (81.76 feet per second), the crank on the REVETEC engine will be limited to only 3000 rpm. Go faster than that, and you'll have to deal with significantly faster piston speeds. (Which might be entirely possible, given the lack of cylinder wall foces... )
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ADAM_ROB_UK' date='Feb 11 2005, 05:48 AM
also.... how do they get that opposing rotation ??
They likely get the counter-rotation of the green trilobe by starting each trilobe offset a few degrees of rotation from the other.

Whereas the yellow trilobe's position starts with its respective piston wheels on one side of a lobe peak, the green trilobe's position starts with its respective piston wheels on the opposite side of that same respective lobe peak. Therefore it's using the horizontal force of the pistons to produce two rotational forces when coupled with the shape of the trilobes.

This dual, simultaneous coutner-rotation likely keeps the forces pushing and pulling the pistons even.
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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I wonder what the mass of one of those tri-lobe thingies is? Will it be like having a 50 pound flywheel?
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