End of the Manual Transmission?
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From: Finn living in Dubai
Originally Posted by TommyDeVito,Oct 27 2008, 07:10 PM
Not to me, normal business. But then again I'm not trying to eat a burger, talk on the phone, or jerkoff when I drive.
2-3 hours daily with a heavy clutch will for sure make you a believer in a automatic. Stock S2000 does not qualify for heavy clutch...
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From: Finn living in Dubai
Originally Posted by Chris Stack,Oct 27 2008, 09:24 PM
Always amuses me when people with remote locations under their usernames rag on others for driving automatics.
Come on down to Chicagoland, and experience a 22-mile, 1.5 hour commute. Oh, sure, manuals are MUCH more fun then. Sure is important to "feel" that "connection" with the car while you creep along at 3mph. You're really driving, the dude in the Lexus next to you is not half the man you are!
F that.
I own a manual because I won't buy a sports car without one. But almost every day I wake up and fantasize about cruising to the office in some cushy automatic while the S2000 sleeps in the garage awaiting a weekend fun run.
Come on down to Chicagoland, and experience a 22-mile, 1.5 hour commute. Oh, sure, manuals are MUCH more fun then. Sure is important to "feel" that "connection" with the car while you creep along at 3mph. You're really driving, the dude in the Lexus next to you is not half the man you are!
F that.
I own a manual because I won't buy a sports car without one. But almost every day I wake up and fantasize about cruising to the office in some cushy automatic while the S2000 sleeps in the garage awaiting a weekend fun run.
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Originally Posted by RossoS2K,Oct 27 2008, 09:24 PM
For a daily or track car give me DSG.
If the S2000 came with a GOOD DSG gearbox I would argue that 99% of you would prefer it.
IMHO.
If the S2000 came with a GOOD DSG gearbox I would argue that 99% of you would prefer it.
IMHO.
If you remove one aspect of this equation, then you take away from the full experience/challenge. Sure a good DSG/PDK 'box will let you fully concentrate on braking, line and turning but why would that be more satisfying?
As an example, I would enjoy more beating or equaling the trackday laptime of a 997 PDK driver if I was driving a manual 997 and spent the PDK money on e.g. suspension/brakes.
ymmv
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When I'm stuck in stop-and-go traffic, I too think it would be nice to have an automatic. But then immediately afterwards I recall the times I had a rental car with an automatic and think "f that, I'm glad I have a manual!"
I've never driven a DSG car, so cannot comment.
I've never driven a DSG car, so cannot comment.
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Oct 28 2008, 12:42 AM
I've never driven a DSG car, so cannot comment.
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Originally Posted by DesertRat,Oct 27 2008, 03:48 PM
You should. The VW DSG or Porsche PDK are simply amazing. I am the greatest manual supporter, but I have to admit that a human changing gears cannot compete...
But, more importantly, I fear DSG-esque transmissions without warranty coverage. Automatics and manuals are a known quantity; any decent shop can fix them. But DSG and its ilk? Who knows.
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I don't think AT will "end."
AT % is going up because driving fuels our economy (we work a lot of jobs that are really far from our houses) but MT cars are still made overseas and sports cars and ultra-frugal cars will always have an MT mode. But I can see MT extinct for cars like the Honda Accord, CRV, Focus, non-M3 3-series, pickup trucks, etc.
AT % is going up because driving fuels our economy (we work a lot of jobs that are really far from our houses) but MT cars are still made overseas and sports cars and ultra-frugal cars will always have an MT mode. But I can see MT extinct for cars like the Honda Accord, CRV, Focus, non-M3 3-series, pickup trucks, etc.
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I swore that I would never buy a flappy-paddle transmission, whether there were clutch(es) or a torque converter, whatever. I wanted that gearshift lever and that clutch pedal.
Then I drove an Evo X MR with the TC-SST dual-clutch auto-manual.
And I bought it.
It's _that_ good. Sure, it's fun to heel-toe, push in a clutch pedal, all that jazz, and I still do that on my current track car (E36 M3), but I know the future of transmissions, even on sports cars, are ones like the TC-SST, and I now welcome it. If they're done right (like on the Evo), they are truly more fun to drive than a "manual" manual.
--michael
Then I drove an Evo X MR with the TC-SST dual-clutch auto-manual.
And I bought it.
It's _that_ good. Sure, it's fun to heel-toe, push in a clutch pedal, all that jazz, and I still do that on my current track car (E36 M3), but I know the future of transmissions, even on sports cars, are ones like the TC-SST, and I now welcome it. If they're done right (like on the Evo), they are truly more fun to drive than a "manual" manual.
--michael
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