GM Quality
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the fundamental problem seems to be QUALITY beyond the 3 year-old mark for much of GMs product line.
What we are seeing with the American makers is what we saw with the Japanese in the 80's -- a turnaround in terms of quality. The few idiots who fail to adhere to this reality are the fanbois who will always believe that any Honda is flawless -- just like the domestic idiots in the 80's who spewed the same line of bullshit.
You people get so pissy... its hilarious. 
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Originally Posted by Roadster_1,Sep 28 2005, 10:39 PM
can't resist....
I'm not sure if anyone reads (or believes) Consumer Reports, but, that magazine consistently (for the many years I've been reading it) notes additional electrical, brakes, body integrity, and power equipment problems for MANY of GMs products. For example - take a close look at the Corvette. ...and the survey says "more than 15% have electrical probems on a 3 year old 'vette".... The sky's the limit...just how much "more" I wonder?
Hell, to be fair, those surveys only rate the S2000 as being "average" in reliabilty....down from Honda's usual "much better than average" standing.
I can imagine there are folks on this web site that will be quick to call the publishers of CR and the hundreds of thousands of surveyed households "fanbois" / "fangurls".
Just not too sure I'd agree with them...
While American auto manufacturing HAS improved of late (and, I sincerely hope it continues in that direction), the fundamental problem seems to be QUALITY beyond the 3 year-old mark for much of GMs product line.
Having said the above...I'll readily admit the new C6, and, in particular, the Z06 is certainly cause for excitement. At the moment, however, it is the ONLY GM product I'd seriously consider....yes, that includes Cadillac's(?) equivalent.
my .02....
I'm not sure if anyone reads (or believes) Consumer Reports, but, that magazine consistently (for the many years I've been reading it) notes additional electrical, brakes, body integrity, and power equipment problems for MANY of GMs products. For example - take a close look at the Corvette. ...and the survey says "more than 15% have electrical probems on a 3 year old 'vette".... The sky's the limit...just how much "more" I wonder?
Hell, to be fair, those surveys only rate the S2000 as being "average" in reliabilty....down from Honda's usual "much better than average" standing.
I can imagine there are folks on this web site that will be quick to call the publishers of CR and the hundreds of thousands of surveyed households "fanbois" / "fangurls".
Just not too sure I'd agree with them...
While American auto manufacturing HAS improved of late (and, I sincerely hope it continues in that direction), the fundamental problem seems to be QUALITY beyond the 3 year-old mark for much of GMs product line.
Having said the above...I'll readily admit the new C6, and, in particular, the Z06 is certainly cause for excitement. At the moment, however, it is the ONLY GM product I'd seriously consider....yes, that includes Cadillac's(?) equivalent.
my .02....
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Before anyone has a brain aneurism, I think the new vette performs great, and the American car companies are doing a great job at putting out some good performance numbers in cars like the 03 Cobra's, Z06 C6, hell, even the SRT-4 is fast. But that still doesn't change the over all reliability and build quality.
I'll be the first one to say that Honda's made in Japan are better than the ones made in the United States. Look back at service records and see once Honda started moving plants to the United States there were more problems than the Japan built models.
I'll be the first one to say that Honda's made in Japan are better than the ones made in the United States. Look back at service records and see once Honda started moving plants to the United States there were more problems than the Japan built models.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Sep 28 2005, 10:22 PM
I'll be the first one to say that Honda's made in Japan are better than the ones made in the United States. Look back at service records and see once Honda started moving plants to the United States there were more problems than the Japan built models.
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Originally Posted by no_really,Sep 29 2005, 02:17 AM
You think it was pure coincidence the problems you say Honda started having coincide with Honda greatly increasing production numbers, regardless of where production was located?
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Dude, if you think American cars suck and Americans are lazy and have a crappy work mentality, please move you a** to Japan or Europe or wherever it is you think everything is better.
Good riddance.
P.S. If you're already outside the U.S. (see the Swiss flag), do us all a favor and stay there.
Good riddance.
P.S. If you're already outside the U.S. (see the Swiss flag), do us all a favor and stay there.
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Wow so much anger from a "guest"
I somewhat agree and disagree with DSR;I have friends that work @ Honda in Marysville and they are very committed to quality workmanship.But if management decides to increase production by increasing line speed or by removing a worker at a job location and forcing another to do both jobs to increase "productivity" then in the long run or in some cases by the end of the day,quality suffers.
This is true if it is Honda ,Toyota or Ford......ect
I somewhat agree and disagree with DSR;I have friends that work @ Honda in Marysville and they are very committed to quality workmanship.But if management decides to increase production by increasing line speed or by removing a worker at a job location and forcing another to do both jobs to increase "productivity" then in the long run or in some cases by the end of the day,quality suffers.
This is true if it is Honda ,Toyota or Ford......ect
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IMO the Big 3 just use cheap looking interiors and fit and finish isn't quite as good.
The domestics have made the biggest strides in interior material choice, design and assembly. The Japanese have remained the same or gotten worse.