View Poll Results: HP -> Acceleration... not Torque!
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HP -> Acceleration... not Torque!
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I think I see your point, micah. One of the problems with any of these tq/hp discussions gets down to language. If we all talked math & physics, and were patient, I think it would become clear. But when we use imprecise language, and run up against the usual internet short attention span ... Who's to say what "pulls harder" means??
BTW, I'd almost pull back my vote since I don't know what Destiny2002 meant by "more important than...". But if you want to know accel, give me the hp and weight.
BTW, I'd almost pull back my vote since I don't know what Destiny2002 meant by "more important than...". But if you want to know accel, give me the hp and weight.
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Actually, Bruce's write up is pretty accurate, and one of the best communications pieces on this topic - and it has been that way since 1995!!!
On the topic of Integras, the GS-R only made 1 lbs-ft more torque. Additionally, it weighed 2667 lbs vs. 2550 for an Integra LS. The gearing was about 3% tighter in the first two gears, and then 8-10% tighter after that, while the rev limiter was 16% higher.
If both cars were in first or second gear, the peak thrust to weight ratio for a stock GS-R was almost identical to the LS. Its just, as Bruce noted, the GS-R pulls _longer_. But it didn't put you back into your seat any harder. Which is exactly what Bruce was talking about when he said it didn't _feel_ any faster.
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On the topic of Integras, the GS-R only made 1 lbs-ft more torque. Additionally, it weighed 2667 lbs vs. 2550 for an Integra LS. The gearing was about 3% tighter in the first two gears, and then 8-10% tighter after that, while the rev limiter was 16% higher.
If both cars were in first or second gear, the peak thrust to weight ratio for a stock GS-R was almost identical to the LS. Its just, as Bruce noted, the GS-R pulls _longer_. But it didn't put you back into your seat any harder. Which is exactly what Bruce was talking about when he said it didn't _feel_ any faster.
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When choosing between an Integra LS and a GS-R, practicality won out. I bought the LS knowing that the real-world performance difference wasn't great, I had more relaxed cruise rpm, and could use cheap gas. But yah know what, good as any Integra sounds, I missed not having that VTEC wail. Which is a good part of what it is all about, isn't it?
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Actually, in the case of inertia (roller) chassis dynos, you're not measuring torque either. Only with a brake dyno do you truly measure torque. But, simply put, to say that torque is measured and hp is calculated (as quoted) is a gross generalization - this coming from a brake/absorbtion dyno owner.
As for the exhaust tip, I suggest erring on the smaller side. I think you'd want to keep the exhaust gas velocity on the high side - v^2 you know ;-)
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As for the exhaust tip, I suggest erring on the smaller side. I think you'd want to keep the exhaust gas velocity on the high side - v^2 you know ;-)
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