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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Default Manual Trans - 6 speed, Automatic - 5 speed...Why?

Okay, I'm curious about something. When a car maker offers a car with a manual transmission, why is the automatic version always one gear less?

Example:
6 speed manual and the automatic option is a 5 speed or a 5 speed manual or a 4 speed automatic, 4 speed stick or 3 speed manual.

Anyone know why this has always been so?

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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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i know 6 speed auto trannies are more expensive to produce, head over to Toyota.com and build a Tacoma, you'll see what I mean. So im assuming that car makers will stick for the most part wti 5 speed autos to reduce costs for them and consumers because most people could give a rip how many gears their auto has anyway. and for those who dont, they can get it as an added option.
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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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the new M5 has a 7-speed SMG, but will get a 6-speed manual. Also, the MR2 has a 6-speed sequential while only a 5-speed manual. Not making any points, just some facts.
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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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This is no longer true, MB now sells a 7-speed AT.

Also Corvettes come with 6-speed AT


I guess it was expensive to make multi speed ATs, usually the better cars were first with 5-speed ATs before cheap econ cars that made do with 3 or 4 speeds.
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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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I don't think it was always intended that autos have fewer gears, it just worked out that way.
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 05:38 AM
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Most automatics rely on planetary gear sets which require more parts for each gear ratio than a manual gear set. It could be that the auto transmission with the same number of gears would be too big for the area they designed for the transmission.
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k2004,Dec 24 2005, 06:42 PM
the new M5 has a 7-speed SMG, but will get a 6-speed manual. Also, the MR2 has a 6-speed sequential while only a 5-speed manual. Not making any points, just some facts.
note that these are not automatic transmissions. they are manuals that have automated shifting.

true automatics require a buttload more parts when you add gears. the gear selection system is totally different, with planetary gearsets in autos.
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Cost and size.
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 04:50 PM
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The current 3-series auto is a 6-speed.
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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WarrenW,Dec 24 2005, 06:02 PM
Okay, I'm curious about something. When a car maker offers a car with a manual transmission, why is the automatic version always one gear less?

Example:
6 speed manual and the automatic option is a 5 speed or a 5 speed manual or a 4 speed automatic, 4 speed stick or 3 speed manual.

Anyone know why this has always been so?

Warren
An automatic is geared differently than a manual because of the benefit of the torque converter.

From "How Things Work":

In addition to the very important job of allowing your car come to a complete stop without stalling the engine, the torque converter actually gives your car more torque when you accelerate out of a stop. Modern torque converters can multiply the torque of the engine by two to three times. This effect only happens when the engine is turning much faster than the transmission.
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