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To me, the CRV there actually looks a lot like a RAV4 (the new one). Tall, some curves, and still a bit blocky but not too wide. Definitely have similar roof lines.
They have a few features covered up, so it doesn't quite look "normal" yet, but I think the two will actually look quite a bit alike.
They have a few features covered up, so it doesn't quite look "normal" yet, but I think the two will actually look quite a bit alike.
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From: MAHT-O-MEDI
Originally Posted by JonBoy,Jun 13 2006, 01:12 PM
I'd be interested to see how many people buy the RAV4 with the V6. Everyone keeps comparing the competition to that motor, but how popular is it?
Kind of like comparing the Acura RL to V8 competitors from MB, BMW, and Audi. 90% of sales are V6, not V8, models...so it's really a moot point in terms of market share.
Same goes for I4 vs V6 in the small SUV market. Most don't want or need a big V6.
Kind of like comparing the Acura RL to V8 competitors from MB, BMW, and Audi. 90% of sales are V6, not V8, models...so it's really a moot point in terms of market share.
Same goes for I4 vs V6 in the small SUV market. Most don't want or need a big V6.
I was in the market for an Equinox because it had a 6 and could tow the same, but it had 80 less hp than the Toyota, was far slower and gets pretty bad milage if you can believe the guys on the Equinox board. When you compare one to the other it is no contest. If the current CRV could tow what I need to get buy I would go out and buy the current gen. I think they are neat little trucks and can get 30 mpg.
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Do you believe the RAV4 will get 28 mpg on the highway? It's not bad aerodynamically for an SUV, but that's still pretty good for a vehicle that big and heavy.
I'm not picking, just a genuine honest question. I'm pretty dubious of ANY midsize (or larger) SUV getting that kind of mileage with that big of a motor.
I'm looking at a website on Edmunds.com and they're getting anything from 21 to 25 mpg on the highway. One commentary was:
Comments?
I'm not picking, just a genuine honest question. I'm pretty dubious of ANY midsize (or larger) SUV getting that kind of mileage with that big of a motor.
I'm looking at a website on Edmunds.com and they're getting anything from 21 to 25 mpg on the highway. One commentary was:
The Highway EPA tests are done at an average speed of 48 mph which is just about the sweetest spot for an ICE system. For every 10 mph over 48 you may lose up to 5-10% of your fuel economy. Driving faster than 68 mph will dramatically decrese your FE in this square metal box. It's like doing a belly flop off a 3 meter board.
In the EPA testing currently no AC is used. It is also done indoors so wind and weather have no bearing. Subtract 5-10% for driving in strong winds, on slippery sufaces or in winter.
Constantly 'riding the accelerator' will burn more fuel. It's obvious but think about it. In the EPA test there is no provision for passing everyone on the road.
Huge misconception: The combinded values are predicated on an arbitrary 55/45 division between Hwy/city. As the poster above noted at 80% Hwy/20% City the 'correct' EPA weighted average for this particular driver should be:
24/30 EPA 28.8 mpg 'weighted' combined in a 4c
21/28 EPA 26.6 mpg 'weighted' combined in a V6
These are EPA conditions which are nearly perfect.
Now adjust the Highway portion only for less than perfect conditions say 70 mph speeds and windy weather.
.. deduct 15% for highspeed driving;
.. deduct 5% for windy weather;
.. deduct another 2-3% for AC usage.
For the V6 now your new Highway 'realworld' value is about 22 mpg.
Combine this with your 21 City driving EPA and the result is clear. 21-22 mpg under these conditions is 'normal'.
In the EPA testing currently no AC is used. It is also done indoors so wind and weather have no bearing. Subtract 5-10% for driving in strong winds, on slippery sufaces or in winter.
Constantly 'riding the accelerator' will burn more fuel. It's obvious but think about it. In the EPA test there is no provision for passing everyone on the road.
Huge misconception: The combinded values are predicated on an arbitrary 55/45 division between Hwy/city. As the poster above noted at 80% Hwy/20% City the 'correct' EPA weighted average for this particular driver should be:
24/30 EPA 28.8 mpg 'weighted' combined in a 4c
21/28 EPA 26.6 mpg 'weighted' combined in a V6
These are EPA conditions which are nearly perfect.
Now adjust the Highway portion only for less than perfect conditions say 70 mph speeds and windy weather.
.. deduct 15% for highspeed driving;
.. deduct 5% for windy weather;
.. deduct another 2-3% for AC usage.
For the V6 now your new Highway 'realworld' value is about 22 mpg.
Combine this with your 21 City driving EPA and the result is clear. 21-22 mpg under these conditions is 'normal'.
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Just as a followup, they polled the owners about gas mileage. The results were:
I4 2WD - under 22 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
I4 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 7 ]
I4 2WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
I4 2WD above 28 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
--I4 4WD - under 22 MPG
16% [ 6 ]
--I4 4WD 22-25 MPG
50% [ 18 ]
--I4 4WD 26-29 MPG
2% [ 1 ]
--I4 4WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 36
V6 2WD - under 22 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
V6 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 11 ]
V6 2WD 26-29 MPG
3% [ 2 ]
V6 2WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
--V6 4WD - under 22 MPG
23% [ 13 ]
--V6 4WD 22-25 MPG
41% [ 23 ]
--V6 4WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
--V6 4WD over 29 MPG
1% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 56
So, most with the V6 (4WD) were under 25 mpg, but still pretty decent (41% in the 22-25mpg range). Still, they aren't getting 28 mpg and I doubt you will unless you stay under 60/65 mph on the highway.
The thread is here - http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir.../.ef57396/3801 .
I4 2WD - under 22 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
I4 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 7 ]
I4 2WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
I4 2WD above 28 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
--I4 4WD - under 22 MPG
16% [ 6 ]
--I4 4WD 22-25 MPG
50% [ 18 ]
--I4 4WD 26-29 MPG
2% [ 1 ]
--I4 4WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 36
V6 2WD - under 22 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
V6 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 11 ]
V6 2WD 26-29 MPG
3% [ 2 ]
V6 2WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
--V6 4WD - under 22 MPG
23% [ 13 ]
--V6 4WD 22-25 MPG
41% [ 23 ]
--V6 4WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
--V6 4WD over 29 MPG
1% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 56
So, most with the V6 (4WD) were under 25 mpg, but still pretty decent (41% in the 22-25mpg range). Still, they aren't getting 28 mpg and I doubt you will unless you stay under 60/65 mph on the highway.
The thread is here - http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir.../.ef57396/3801 .
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Originally Posted by aggie,Jun 13 2006, 12:04 PM
Consumer Reports just tested the Rav4 AWD 6cyl at 22 mpg overall and 29 mpg highway. Oh, it also hit 0-60 in 6.7 sec.
What's one of those things run ya? $30k+? Hmmm, RAV4 or used Infiniti FX....hmmm...
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Originally Posted by JonBoy,Jun 13 2006, 01:52 PM
Do you believe the RAV4 will get 28 mpg on the highway? It's not bad aerodynamically for an SUV, but that's still pretty good for a vehicle that big and heavy.
I really had my hopes up for the Equinox since I have all these GM dollars and with the discounts they were running I could get an AWD for about $18k with the options I need. When they first started to put out press releases they said 28mpg. The car came to market rated at 25. Then the next year it was rated at 24. The Torrent came out and it is rated at 23. Lots of "Help Horrid MPG!" threads on the Equinox board where people claimed in some threads they werew getting 16-18 in steady highway cruise and babying it. Some are reporting getting 25 mpg too, but I got scared away by all the stories of transmission module reprograms, ecu flashes and such. I also drove it and hated the ride, too soft. Torrent is supposed to be tighter but have not driven yet.
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Originally Posted by Chris Stack,Jun 13 2006, 02:17 PM
Holy dogshit! I didn't realize they were that fast.
What's one of those things run ya? $30k+? Hmmm, RAV4 or used Infiniti FX....hmmm...
What's one of those things run ya? $30k+? Hmmm, RAV4 or used Infiniti FX....hmmm...
And somebody tested an early one at 6.2 0-to 60 but got only 16mpg in leadfooted testing.